Topic: Georgia couple killed by dogs
adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 12:59 PM
A couple in northeastern Georgia apparently were attacked and killed by nearly a dozen dogs, authorities said today.

Former college professor Lothar Karl Schweder, 77, and his wife, Sherry Schweder, 65, most likely died of injuries that occurred in a dog attack, according to Oglethorpe County Sheriff Mike Smith.

The couple's mutilated bodies were found Saturday morning by five passers-by. Smith said they likely were killed by dogs because the scene was so grisly.

http://www.examiner.com/x-15948-Homicide-Examiner~y2009m8d17-Georgia-couple-killed-by-dogs

video report:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFcmdatvVUo&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.google.com%2Fnews%3Fhl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-

-------------------------------------------------------------------

so much for innocence of dogs

and

all those arguments dogs do not attack unless provoked




adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:25 PM
how ironic

if this was a bout a person killing dogs it would have had 4-5 posts

from the 10 views

but seeing as how it is about viciousness of dogs


it gets nothing


where was vick when they needed him noway

franshade's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:30 PM
not sure where you're heading with this thread nor what it is in response to waving

Smith said they likely were killed by dogs because the scene was so grisly.
operative word is likely anyway aren't dogs natural hunters?


adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:35 PM
yes they are

but to many of the dog lovers say that

dogs would never do such a thing

have you read the vick threads

i do not condone what vick did

but there were a lot of misnomers about the goodness of dogs in those threads


where are those that said those things now

how can they justify what they said in those threads

can they?

should they?


franshade's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:37 PM

yes they are

but to many of the dog lovers say that

dogs would never do such a thing

have you read the vick threads

i do not condone what vick did

but there were a lot of misnomers about the goodness of dogs in those threads


where are those that said those things now

how can they justify what they said in those threads

can they?

should they?




ahhh

can they justify it? yes, even if only to themselves.
should they? yes, don't want to lose any more of my rights

entirely up to you whether you buy into the justification (jmo)
flowers


adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:41 PM
well fran flowers

i do not think it will matter

i feel they will avoid this like it is a full blown aids victim with seeping sores and all

but hey...........

no photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:42 PM
I love dogs and think for the most part, they're pretty good animals. I think most people forget that, though "domesticated," they are animals, an animal whose instinct is to hunt. Whether a dog attacks out of hunger or survival, it is doing nothing more or less than following its own natural instincts. There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature. People need to be more mindful of this.

adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:43 PM
and yes it did say likely

but it also said officers had to fire shots to scare the dogs away from them


so hey it is what it is

flowerforyou

adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:45 PM

I love dogs and think for the most part, they're pretty good animals. I think most people forget that, though "domesticated," they are animals, an animal whose instinct is to hunt. Whether a dog attacks out of hunger or survival, it is doing nothing more or less than following its own natural instincts. There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature. People need to be more mindful of this.


so if someone fights a dog (that is a natural hunter fighter

they should be crucified

but if a pack of dogs kill people it is ok

interesting


franshade's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:46 PM
just replied to your post, haven't been in those M. Vick threads and truly didnt read link - which is why I responded to you.

I'm w/Suz - dont all animals (humans included) have that self preservation instinct?


no photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:52 PM


I love dogs and think for the most part, they're pretty good animals. I think most people forget that, though "domesticated," they are animals, an animal whose instinct is to hunt. Whether a dog attacks out of hunger or survival, it is doing nothing more or less than following its own natural instincts. There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature. People need to be more mindful of this.


so if someone fights a dog (that is a natural hunter fighter

they should be crucified

but if a pack of dogs kill people it is ok

interesting




I never said that either was ok or not ok. I very specifically did not comment on Vick, only on the case of the dog attack on the people. As the article, as you posted it, did not say definitively that it was a dog attack (though they seem to feel that is a reasonable scenario) nor did it give any kind of explanation as to what exactly happened, it's hard to give an opinion as to the rightness or wrongness. Was the couple walking in the woods and the dogs just attacked for no reason? Were the dogs starving? Did the couple provoke the dogs? Did they have rabies? Do the circumstances even matter in the natural scheme of life? Would it matter if another "wilder" animal was the killer(s) of the couple? If an alligator attacked them, or a bear, or a cougar, would people see this differently?

I feel bad for the couple, if that's what happened it's a horrible way to die. But I cannot judge nature, it is what it is.

adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:53 PM
yes they do

but do you think that elderly couple posed a threat to the pack of dogs

and remember they were attacked individually at different times

as the article says he went looking for here when she did not return

and having animal fights is exploiting the survival instinct of which you speak

like i said i do not condone what vick did

but these dogs being dogs makes their actions ok

i think not

and the cops had to shoot at them to scare them off
(where they attempting to attack the cops) (it does not say)




adj4u's photo
Tue 08/18/09 01:54 PM
Edited by adj4u on Tue 08/18/09 01:56 PM



I love dogs and think for the most part, they're pretty good animals. I think most people forget that, though "domesticated," they are animals, an animal whose instinct is to hunt. Whether a dog attacks out of hunger or survival, it is doing nothing more or less than following its own natural instincts. There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature. People need to be more mindful of this.


so if someone fights a dog (that is a natural hunter fighter

they should be crucified

but if a pack of dogs kill people it is ok

interesting




I never said that either was ok or not ok. I very specifically did not comment on Vick, only on the case of the dog attack on the people. As the article, as you posted it, did not say definitively that it was a dog attack (though they seem to feel that is a reasonable scenario) nor did it give any kind of explanation as to what exactly happened, it's hard to give an opinion as to the rightness or wrongness. Was the couple walking in the woods and the dogs just attacked for no reason? Were the dogs starving? Did the couple provoke the dogs? Did they have rabies? Do the circumstances even matter in the natural scheme of life? Would it matter if another "wilder" animal was the killer(s) of the couple? If an alligator attacked them, or a bear, or a cougar, would people see this differently?

I feel bad for the couple, if that's what happened it's a horrible way to die. But I cannot judge nature, it is what it is.


"""There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature."""

that appears to me as them being dogs gives them a pass

sorry if i misunderstood it flowerforyou flowerforyou

if it was a bear or a gator would they have fired to scare or kill

remember we are talking a pack not just one or two

no photo
Tue 08/18/09 02:00 PM

"""There is no right or wrong, it just is a fact of nature."""

that appears to me as them being dogs gives them a pass

sorry if i misunderstood it flowerforyou flowerforyou

if it was a bear or a gator would they have fired to scare or kill

remember we are talking a pack not just one or two


I don't believe we can judge an animal's behavior on human standards. Animals do not have the same capacity for thought, consequences, etc as humans, they act on instinct. I guess in your interpretation that means I'm giving them a pass. Perhaps I am. I stick with my opinion, though, that we cannot judge an animals behavior by standards I would hold people to, instincts will prevail in all animals, you cannot change nature, it is what it is.


no photo
Tue 08/18/09 04:15 PM
Edited by Unknow on Tue 08/18/09 04:22 PM
Do you want me to say some irresponsible owner left them to run wild(There are packs of strays running lose in certain areas here!)

I will say a dog owner should be responsible enough to carry liability on their dogs and pets...

I will say I cant get Homeowners on my home if I own a Pit, Rott or German Shepard but people renting and lying to their landlord have them...


The first only applies here because yes I blame people for not being responsible
Have I said enough?


no photo
Tue 08/18/09 04:21 PM

Do you want me to say some irresponsible owner left them to run wild(There are packs of strays running lose in certain areas here!)

I will say a dog owner should be responsible enough to carry liability on their dogs and pets...

I will say I cant get Homeowners on my home if I own a Pit, Rott or German Shepard but people renting and lying to their landlord have them...

Have I said enough?




Agreed, there are many, many irresponsible owners. That was part of my point about people forgetting the basic nature of their pets. That's irresponsible as well.

no photo
Tue 08/18/09 04:28 PM


Do you want me to say some irresponsible owner left them to run wild(There are packs of strays running lose in certain areas here!)

I will say a dog owner should be responsible enough to carry liability on their dogs and pets...

I will say I cant get Homeowners on my home if I own a Pit, Rott or German Shepard but people renting and lying to their landlord have them...

Have I said enough?




Agreed, there are many, many irresponsible owners. That was part of my point about people forgetting the basic nature of their pets. That's irresponsible as well.
flowerforyou I want to add Vick is a low life scum for what he did!!!! That is the King of irresponsibility!!!!!