I have been arguing with folks about this bill for quite a while now without having read through the whole thing. Sorry folks. I usually do not do that. So I did some researching this morning.

My research lead me to contact my representatives and the whitehouse about my concerns.

I cannot support the bill in it's current form, not for most of the reasons mentioned on the forums. We can financially support this bill. It is doable. But not in the form being offered.

My concerns are that there is not enough revamping of the current system included in this bill. We know that the insurance companies in their current state couldn't give a hoot about the people. Their bottom line is part of the problem with the care we receive.

Second and the very alarming part is the penalty for not having insurance at all. Can't support anything even close to this to be included in a national health care bill.

So I have to rescind some of my earlier arguments. The banter was fun but I am officially on the opposition of this bill in the current form.

"Financially doable" and a flip flop.

What about the penalty for business not providing it???

We, who oppose this Bill, according to Pelosi are un-American. Just heard it on the local News.

I am not sure how I feel about this penalty. Making the employers pay something into the pot for national healthcare is not a bad idea if they cannot afford to carry insurance. I guess I would need to see a comaparison of the costs for the employer who provides insurance to the ones who don't.

Which bill?

I believe their are five different versions before congress, at present.

I don't agree with her, never did feel those who opposed were Un-American.

Bush did that same thing in office. If you weren't with him, you were the enemy.

I don't like that type of pushing.

Obama hasn't said it though so that is a plus.

OH NO, I only read one. Dammit, now I have to go do more research.

Thanks ddn for the heads up.

I cannot find any other versions but the one I read. So I don't know where they are.

I oppose it on a number of levels. The main objection to it aside from the pure assault on personal liberties is that while it is true that if you like your current plan you can keep it but there are provisions in the leading piece of legislation that prohibit new enrollments in private insurance after a certain date.. this provision has the effect of forcing people into the "public option".. when you don't have a choice, by definition it's not an "option"

As for fining/taxing companies that don't provide health care for those in their employ, that's another restriction on small businesses that will (despite the best of intentions) result in more people losing their jobs..

Theres a reason the Democrats haven't been able to ge this type of "reform" through in almost a century.. because Americans don't want it!!

the most absurd thing about any one of these proposals.....is that.....


Government employees are exempt......

Good enough for average Joes/Janes but not good enough for our elected officials....?????

They currently have choice, portability, fixed price increases, and guaranteed coverage(even with pre-exixting conditions)....etc etc.


All I need is to get elected to the house of Reps....one time...then me and my family are set!!!!!!!!

I oppose it on a number of levels. The main objection to it aside from the pure assault on personal liberties is that while it is true that if you like your current plan you can keep it but there are provisions in the leading piece of legislation that prohibit new enrollments in private insurance after a certain date.. this provision has the effect of forcing people into the "public option".. when you don't have a choice, by definition it's not an "option"


I still think that portion was either not written correctly or is being misunderstood.


As for ddn comment about exemptions, that is because they already get the options of the best healthcare available to anyone. You cannot improve the unimprovable.

I am all for options for the american people, opting in or out, but frankly I don't know how anyone can be for or against it at this point when it's not the final version. When that final version is written then we might have something to discuss.

We the people need to be addressing the problems we see in the bill now so when they are working on it they will know what needs to be addressed.

I am fully for the option of national healthcare, we can do it here in this country.

This bill though is not at the best it can be.

Gotcha...

The keeping your current plan is not completely accurate either....Who controls that?
You or your employer....

I believe the enrollment period is being misinterpreted in this bill. All insurances have an enrollment period of which you have to make any and all changes during that time. If you fail to enroll or fail to make changes you are screwed until the next enrollment period. I believe that is the misunderstanding happening at this level in the bill either because the author of the bill wrote it incorrectly or the readers are misinterpreting what they read.

The bill needs alot of work. I cannot support it in it's current form.

I do support the concept Obama is selling though and I do believe we can do it here. It is just not going to be simple.

but that's the problem though, you see. It's a great "concept". 'Yeah, let's make sure everyone has health care' but it's the same ol' story, the devil is in the details.. and the details of ALL of the proposed legislative items is that the end result will be to control the way you live your life..


The Germans did this "nationalized health care" in the 30's.. it lead to that government's officials engaging in eugenics.. a political hammer and it's citizens the nails..

and what's this "mandatory end of life counseling" bit all about??

there is a provision in the bill...where if you can't prove to the IRS...when you file your taxes...that you have healthcare...they'll fine you 2 1/2 %...of your gross earnings...I thought this was a land of choices...liberty...freedom...I mean hell...if someone doesn't carry health insurance...that is none of the governments business...

another point to ponder...if this bill ...isn't going to be enacted until 2013...then whats the hurry...why this big Rush [ not Limbaugh ]...because Obama knows...that if the details of this bill...leak out...and...the American people " get it ! "...then his effort...to take over almost 20% of the economy are doomed...