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Well if I were to do an article about how we execute health care reform I would include the positives; what works about the current health care system we have. This is simply a call to say we need health care reform, and we need to push through it regardless of what pea-brained argument against reform there might be. except one pea brained concept. There are other ways of fixin it besides spending money that does not exist. My government is no longer functioning as a representitive of the people... It serves corporations. and has placed this nation in a position where it has effectivly removed the quality of life and very freedoms of FUTURE citizens of this country. I wish to fix THAT first... Before I allow medical care to be decided upon (by those same people that have SHOWN a lack of ears where people are concerned). I am tired of the 'we know better' crap from congress.... We all know by know this is far from true. Couldn't agree more, it's become a government for the corporation, by the corporation. At the same time, can't that be eliminated by pushing legislation regardless of how many millions of dollars the industry pumps into congress in attempt to shut people up? In other words, can't we make them irrelevant by pushing beyond them, or do the lobbyists for certain need to be taken out of the picture before anything can happen? Can we push beyond, or do we need to completely push them out to move forward? It's a legitimate question to ask. We need to push them out to move forward... Remove or change the attitude of congressional and senate persons so that those corporations have NO say before makeing the language of the bill... Else they will get their twists into it. It will not hurt to take this time... It will improve the final product. |
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Edited by
Domino08
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Tue 08/11/09 07:37 PM
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Good point. But getting that type of legislation passed would also mean congressmen voting for themselves to receive less money, so the president would have to push the law himself.
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Good point. But getting that type of legislation passed would also mean congressmen voting for themselves to receive less money, so the president would have to push the law himself. Depends on how many American patriots we have in congress. Or how many we can get in. That will look at the long term health of the whole nation... and not the short term benefit to their pocket book. |
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Edited by
Giocamo
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Tue 08/11/09 09:02 PM
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- Medicare
- Medicaid - Social Security - Unemployment - Bridges built - Libraries - Public Roads - Public Schools - The U.S. Postal Service - The Police Department - The Fire Department - The Holocaust Memorial most of these programs are bankrupting the country...utter failures...which is why...the government needs to stay out of healthcare...I think a point being sorely missed in all the " outrage and anger "...over this whole healthcare debate is this...on its own...healthcare is a pretty boring topic...but...when the guy trying to sell it is Obama...outrage and anger is what you get...he's been the best thing that could have ever happened to the Republican Party... 
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- Medicare - Medicaid - Social Security - Unemployment - Bridges built - Libraries - Public Roads - Public Schools - The U.S. Postal Service - The Police Department - The Fire Department - The Holocaust Memorial most of these programs are bankrupting the country...utter failures...which is why...the government needs to stay out of healthcare...I think a point being sorely missed in all the " outrage and anger "...over this whole healthcare debate is this...on its own...healthcare is a pretty boring topic...but...when the guy trying to sell it is Obama...outrage and anger is what you get...he's been the best thing that could have ever happened to the Republican Party...
Well thankfully there are millions that don't agree with you on your list of failures. Also I wouldn't be so sure about Obama being the best thing for Republicans at this point. |
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- Medicare - Medicaid - Social Security - Unemployment - Bridges built - Libraries - Public Roads - Public Schools - The U.S. Postal Service - The Police Department - The Fire Department - The Holocaust Memorial most of these programs are bankrupting the country...utter failures...which is why...the government needs to stay out of healthcare...I think a point being sorely missed in all the " outrage and anger "...over this whole healthcare debate is this...on its own...healthcare is a pretty boring topic...but...when the guy trying to sell it is Obama...outrage and anger is what you get...he's been the best thing that could have ever happened to the Republican Party...
Well thankfully there are millions that don't agree with you on your list of failures. Also I wouldn't be so sure about Obama being the best thing for Republicans at this point. The best thing for republicans to do at this time... Get head out of butt... Join america again... Both parties have had their spending sprees I say enough! |
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Edited by
Domino08
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Wed 08/12/09 08:04 AM
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- Medicare - Medicaid - Social Security - Unemployment - Bridges built - Libraries - Public Roads - Public Schools - The U.S. Postal Service - The Police Department - The Fire Department - The Holocaust Memorial most of these programs are bankrupting the country...utter failures...which is why...the government needs to stay out of healthcare...I think a point being sorely missed in all the " outrage and anger "...over this whole healthcare debate is this...on its own...healthcare is a pretty boring topic...but...when the guy trying to sell it is Obama...outrage and anger is what you get...he's been the best thing that could have ever happened to the Republican Party...
No question that entitlement reform is necessary as entitlement programs are not required to be talked about in budget hearings, and thus are never discussed. Reform is necessary, but to say that most of my list of socialized programs are failures, you're saying that the police department is a potential failure, the fire department is a potential failure, programs that provide senior citizens health care are complete failures, programs that give money to those who lost their job in this economy are a complete failure. Do you really want to try and make that argument? And obviously, you've never had to deal with losing your health insurance and raking up thousands of dollars of debt as a result, or have never been turned away for a treatment you couldn't have. If you had, you wouldn't be saying health care is a useless, boring issue. But I get the vibe that you're one of those "government should only be used for going to war" Republicans and also went/supported teabaggers/teabagging a few months back, so I'm only going to give you so much credence. |
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- Medicare - Medicaid - Social Security - Unemployment - Bridges built - Libraries - Public Roads - Public Schools - The U.S. Postal Service - The Police Department - The Fire Department - The Holocaust Memorial most of these programs are bankrupting the country...utter failures...which is why...the government needs to stay out of healthcare...I think a point being sorely missed in all the " outrage and anger "...over this whole healthcare debate is this...on its own...healthcare is a pretty boring topic...but...when the guy trying to sell it is Obama...outrage and anger is what you get...he's been the best thing that could have ever happened to the Republican Party...
No question that entitlement reform is necessary as entitlement programs are not required to be talked about in budget hearings, and thus are never discussed. Reform is necessary, but to say that most of my list of socialized programs are failures, you're saying that the police department is a potential failure, the fire department is a potential failure, programs that provide senior citizens health care are complete failures, programs that give money to those who lost their job in this economy are a complete failure. Do you really want to try and make that argument? And obviously, you've never had to deal with losing your health insurance and raking up thousands of dollars of debt as a result, or have never been turned away for a treatment you couldn't have. If you had, you wouldn't be saying health care is a useless, boring issue. But I get the vibe that you're one of those "government should only be used for going to war" Republicans and also went/supported teabaggers/teabagging a few months back, so I'm only going to give you so much credence. Teabaggers as you call them are from all walks of life. and they ain't anywhere near done yet. |
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Interesting thread Domino
I recently saw an American advertisement against health care reform in America ... propoganda ... they parade a Canadian woman as their poster child against universal health care because the woman claims she was denied an operation in Canada that was necessary to save her life... so the US doctors came to the rescue... What you don't hear is that the operation was not necessary and Canadian doctors and biopsies confirmed that. So the US doctor came to the rescue alright ... to what? the tune of 100,000+ dollars for an unnecessary operation ... bless their hearts ... 
All fear mongering ... all you have to do is follow the money. It isn't the American people that has the medical establishment battle ready against universal healthcare ... it is the size of their wallets. Follow the money! Doctors in the US don't want a universalized health care system because that would mean a regulation in the fee for service. The dangers of universal healthcare and the reason ours in Canada is spiraling out of control: Because treatment is readily accessible, people go to EMERGENCY at the hospital for every sniffle if they can't see their doctor right away. EMERGENCY rooms are designed for EMERGENCY treatment. The system is being inundated with non-emergency cases driving the financial burden on our system way up. Canadians need to be reminded about 'personal responsibility' and common sense. There is a myth in the US that Canadian doctors are somehow less capable, less trained etc. This is simply not true. What is true though ... is that often doctors will move stateside because they can earn a lot more money. This creates a shortage of doctors, particularly in more remote areas. My healthcare coverage costs me $44 a month (528 a year - up to 100% subsidy for those without the means to pay it) ... I rarely use the system ... but regardless of use, my healthcare costs would still be $44 a month ($88 for a family) I don't mind paying taxes to ensure that we have medical coverage for every man, woman and child. I can sleep well knowing that the baby down the street in need of a heart operation will get it ... We are only as strong as the weakest of us. Does that mean I am against capitalism? Of course not. But I believe there should be some measure in place to ensure a quality of life for all. Just my 2 Canadian cents worth.
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Interesting thread Domino
I recently saw an American advertisement against health care reform in America ... propoganda ... they parade a Canadian woman as their poster child against universal health care because the woman claims she was denied an operation in Canada that was necessary to save her life... so the US doctors came to the rescue... What you don't hear is that the operation was not necessary and Canadian doctors and biopsies confirmed that. So the US doctor came to the rescue alright ... to what? the tune of 100,000+ dollars for an unnecessary operation ... bless their hearts ...
All fear mongering ... all you have to do is follow the money. It isn't the American people that has the medical establishment battle ready against universal healthcare ... it is the size of their wallets. Follow the money! Doctors in the US don't want a universalized health care system because that would mean a regulation in the fee for service. The dangers of universal healthcare and the reason ours in Canada is spiraling out of control: Because treatment is readily accessible, people go to EMERGENCY at the hospital for every sniffle if they can't see their doctor right away. EMERGENCY rooms are designed for EMERGENCY treatment. The system is being inundated with non-emergency cases driving the financial burden on our system way up. Canadians need to be reminded about 'personal responsibility' and common sense. There is a myth in the US that Canadian doctors are somehow less capable, less trained etc. This is simply not true. What is true though ... is that often doctors will move stateside because they can earn a lot more money. This creates a shortage of doctors, particularly in more remote areas. My healthcare coverage costs me $44 a month (528 a year - up to 100% subsidy for those without the means to pay it) ... I rarely use the system ... but regardless of use, my healthcare costs would still be $44 a month ($88 for a family) I don't mind paying taxes to ensure that we have medical coverage for every man, woman and child. I can sleep well knowing that the baby down the street in need of a heart operation will get it ... We are only as strong as the weakest of us. Does that mean I am against capitalism? Of course not. But I believe there should be some measure in place to ensure a quality of life for all. Just my 2 Canadian cents worth.
Good points. The truth is though we're not going after a Canadian system of health care. Other systems we can reference is the one in England, or France even. We're not seeking to mimic any of those systems though, we're looking for the most effective method of lowering the costs enough so all Americans can have access. Every system has its flaws, and our system will undoubtedly have their own, but are the flaws of a universal system worse than the flaws in our system currently? I just don't see how it could be. |
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