They were ALL doing PEDs. I hate the Red Sox and am laughing at how the man ran his mouth in spring training against PED's, but let's face facts. If you were an major league baseball player during this era you almost HAD to do them in order to remain competitive. There MIGHT be one or two names that would surprise me. Hell, Mariano Rivera gained 7 mph on his fastball between 1993 and 1995.

Those that might have not been juicing:

Greg Maddux = Very very very long career... Hmmmm

Mike Mussina = I must admit, this one would gobsmack me. He just seems too smart and not competive enough to possibly wreck his body.

Derek Jeter = Captain America. I want to think not, but he is the ultimate competitor... Hell, he probably did 'em too.




Anybody else have any names they are reasonably sure never juiced?

since the blue jays suck, possibly the entire team?

If Tom Glavine or Greg Maddux end up on the list I done with baseball......

They both had ultra long careers which did not follow the typical arc of a MLB pitcher pre-steroid era....

They probably didn't take good enough drugs.

So did Nolan Ryan. Glavine and Maddux are the poster boys for clean. It wouldn't suprise me if they did. I love the game of baseball more than any sport. I hate feeling like I have been cheated.

they're all juicing,it's almost like the sport requires it anymore.that's one reason i quit watching baseball long ago.not to mention it's just too damn boring!

I agree

At this point, I won't be surprised at anyone who tested positive for steroids or any other banned substances.

You really think Glavine and Maddox were on steroids? I think they both had long effective careers cause they were location pitchers not strike out fastball throwers. They pitched in the bullpen era...probably another reason they had longer careers than the pre steroids era pitchers who typically pitched cg's or until the 8th inning.

Fact is OLD Timers pitched longer than today's pitchers: Crap Satchel Page actually pitched when he was 60 years old. Look what happened to Barry Bonds from 25 to 35 years old he was "ONE" of the best players ever. From 35 to 43 he separated himself from the few (Mays, Aaron, Ruth) that were considered in his league the 1st 10 years of his career. I Loved watching Nolan Ryan (I actually saw him lose a 2 hitter 4-2 and a one hitter Shut out into the 9th and the reliever choked it: Damn the Rangers sucked back then): But I'd give odds that he took Steroids.


One good player that I know did NOT use them, and looking at it retrospectively maybe he should of to keep pace with his peers was Will "The Thrill" Clark(Interesting factoids: Awesome, found a link for these stats):

Will Clark played 1st base for Mississippi State while Rafael Palmerio played 3rd base

Will Clark and Rafael Palmeiro are linked forever for two reasons:

1) The Rangers signed Clark rather than re-sign Palmeiro during the free agent off-season of 1993.

2) The Rangers signed Palmeiro and brought him back in the 1999 off-season, while the O's signed Clark. Essentially the two first basemen swapped places.

But the two players had polar opposite careers. Palmeiro was pigeon-holed early in his career as an opposite field singles hitter, Clark was heralded as a future Hall of Famer. In reality, Palmeiro is likely to end up in Cooperstown, while "Will the Thrill" has little chance, especially after burning so many bridges with his abrasive personality.

There are some similarities between the two sluggers: both were born in 1964, both debuted in the majors in 1986, and both were left-handed hitters who were considered to have one of the best swings of their era.

From their debut season through 1993, Clark was the better offensive player:

1986-1993.....G......H.....R....HR...RBI...AVG...SLG...OBP
Clark......1160...1278...687...176...709...299...499...373
Palmeiro...1046...1144...587...132...526...296...472...360

But from 1994 through 2001 (Clark retired after the 2000 season), Palmeiro has shown he is destined to be remembered as the better hitter:

1994-2001.....G......H.....R....HR...RBI...AVG...SLG...OBP
Clark.......816....898...499...108...496...309...493...398
Palmeiro...1212...1341...770...315...944...293...560...381



Does this make anyone think twice about magic levels (3,000 hits, 500 HR's, 300 Wins, etc...) in Baseball getting someone in the Hall of Fame?

If anyone's interested I got that info off of this site:

http://www.thebaseballpage.com/

He had a " very long " career simply because he was always smarter than the hitters.

Not to mention....I don't think he threw much over 90mph in his entire career....lmao