I know by now that this is a crazy question because through advice and experience girls met at bars are supposedly not right for building something special. The problem is... when going out with a group of buddies it always ends up that they are picking up girls and hooking up and what not. I can't seem to ever pick up a girl at a bar because I believe in more than just the one night deal. If i meet her i wanna talk, get to know and then take her for a real date sometime after meeting her. My friends all say dont waste time just pick up chicks and this and that. I don't want to change myself just for this because I do believe nice guys finish last.. but I don't understand why girls sometimes don't see this... just a topic starter.. input if you would like.