I guess that if you do not have "Jesus" then it would be hard to answer your question. I can give you an opinion if that is what you are looking for. Maybe you are looking for truth, or trying to understand someone's comments made to you under whatever circumstances it may have been. It does not bother me when someone redicules my beliefs as I spent 10 yrs in the military to help preserve someone that priveledge. But a generic question as you have posed, there is no starting point. Make sense?

When I hear the name Jesus anymore all I can do is ask, "Which Jesus?"

The one that supposedly said:
"If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Or the one that supposedly said:
"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."



Whoever made this stuff up wasn't even paying attention to their own ramblings. I could write a book as large as the Bible itself that contains references to all the conflicting statements that Jesus and God supposedly made in the Bible. Not to mention the fact that Jesus totally disagreed with the philosophy and commandments that the God of Abraham supposedly demanded in the Old Testament.

I mean, hey, I'm not trying to tell anyone what to believe. But when I hear the name Jesus all I can do is ask, "Which Jesus?" At worst he was schizophrenic, at best he was an just a fictional character that was poorly invented.

For me I serve both.
He is not asking us to hate anyone He is only asking we love Him more than anything or anyone.
You can take anything in the Bible out of context and it wont make sence. Yes I know you dont believe any of it and ok. But it works for me and He has never failed me.
You seem like you are well versed on the Bible may i ask you what happened to turn you from Him, I assume from some of your other posts you were, at one time in church.
Maybe I missunderstood.
I would like to know.

You seem like you are well versed on the Bible may i ask you what happened to turn you from Him, I assume from some of your other posts you were, at one time in church.
Maybe I missunderstood.
I would like to know.

I guess that if you do not have "Jesus" then it would be hard to answer your question. I can give you an opinion if that is what you are looking for. Maybe you are looking for truth, or trying to understand someone's comments made to you under whatever circumstances it may have been. It does not bother me when someone redicules my beliefs as I spent 10 yrs in the military to help preserve someone that priveledge. But a generic question as you have posed, there is no starting point. Make sense?

For me I serve both.
He is not asking us to hate anyone He is only asking we love Him more than anything or anyone.
You can take anything in the Bible out of context and it wont make sence. Yes I know you dont believe any of it and ok. But it works for me and He has never failed me.
You seem like you are well versed on the Bible may i ask you what happened to turn you from Him, I assume from some of your other posts you were, at one time in church.
Maybe I missunderstood.
I would like to know.

The promise of the holy spirit: John 14:20: "You will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me, just as I am in you." And in the previous John 14:17: "He is the spirit, who reveals the truth about God. The world cannot receive him, because it cannot see him or know him. But you know him, because he remains with you and is in you." I believe Jesus was the great Teacher, the way-shower: he is the Way, the Truth and the Life..and by knowing and seeing him, listening to what he says and observing his actions, we can know the Father. I think in the statement, I am in you, and you are in me, he is trying to explain the concept of omniscience. That there is the existence of one spirit, one energy, that courses thru all life..eternal. I believe the one great spirit is in Jesus, and it is in me also, it is who I am; that is, the essence of my being. This is what I believe today anyway, that is.

Well, you're making an incorrect assumption right off the bat when you use a phrase like "what happened to turn you from Him".

This very phrase implies that I actually turned away from some some person. Which is utterly absurd.

My life story regarding this could fill a book, which I'm not about to type in here. Suffice it to say that I came to the relization of two major truths.

1. There never was a God of Abraham (especially not in the sense of one that inspiried the writing of the Bible in any literal sense).

2. There is absolutely no way that Jesus could have been the son of the God of Abraham even if that God actually existed.

So what is to "turn away from".

I could give you theories that I feel are extremely plausible concerning who the man Jesus might have been and what he might have stood for. (assuming he existed at all)

In fact, in my theories Jesus would have been a very respectable person (albeit a mortal man).

I also have what I consider to be very sound reasons to believe that the gospels that were written about Jesus and not by him contain much demagogurey to support ideas that I personally believe that Jesus himself would not even support (assuming that he even existed at all).

I have nothing bad to say about any hypothetical man who may have lived, preached against the dogma of the Old Testament, and had been crucified for his efforts.

However, I have lots of problems with the actual gospels themselves.

And since you asked, I'll share at least some of these.

Consider the following:

In the gospels it is written:


Matt.24
[34] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.


Mark.13
[30] Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.


Luke.21
[31] So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
[32] Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

So here we have Matthew, Mark and Luke all agreeing that Jesus himself clearly stated that all of his prophecies would come to pass before the current generation passed.

Moreover, there is nowhere in the gospels where is it written that Jesus told anyone to write down anything for future generations.

It seems crystal clear to me that only two things could be true then.

1. Jesus never said these things and the whole story was just made up to make it sound like as if this is what Jesus was saying.

OR

2. Jesus actually did say these things, which means that everything he had prophecised would have had to have already come to pass before the generation he was speaking to had ended.

Either scenario is utterly senseless 2000 years later.

So it doesn't matter whether these were the words of Jesus or not. Either way the religion would be long since dead.

I could go on, and on, and on, but I'll spare you.

In the meantime, I haven't "turned away" from anyone. I've simply come to the recognition that the Biblical Myth has absolutely no more credibility than Greek Mythology.

For you to ask me why I've turned away from the God of Abraham would be as silly as me asking why you've turned away from Zeus.