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Topic: On changing beliefs...
metalwing's photo
Tue 06/30/09 06:27 AM

I would say - study, study, and more study. Educate yourself and see the history of each belief system. Eventually the idealogies you cherish will make you as an individual feel good.

Now a certain belief system that one enjoys may change over time due to more information through either experience or education.

I think there is a message to be heard that many have not realized.

The world and its diversity is meant for us to explore and learn from.

The world is a beautiful place full of different continents and cultures. Each with its own reasons and celeberation of life. We as a people should learn from them and enjoy the benefits it offers. Don't be stuck in your own paradox of what you grew up with, but explore the many different idealogies life can offer. It will give you as a person the opportunity to be more flexible allowing understanding, compassion, anticipation, and love as a whole.

With that being said I may have not answered the question directly, but it does leave open thoughts of perhaps how we as a people can be to ensure more peace and love in this world.

I would say if you as a human no different then the next human who may have different idealogies that are not common in your belief system should research deeper in understanding why such a belief system came to be in the first place. With that being said also experience the notion of such a life even if it is a brief moment!

Have you done a rain dance with native indians, or a celeberation dance of a newborn with an African tribe, or maybe enjoyed the long walk on the Chinese wall feeling and sensing how much hard work was put into it and its history, or enjoyed the Japanese culture looking at the imperial sword understanding its significance to the country, or visited a castle in Europe, or seen displays of famous naturlists and civil rights leaders, or sat at a classical concert listening to music that the artistrocrats enjoyed in the 1600s, or had the chance to see wildlife studying the reasons why raccoons wash their hands before eating, or why a certain type of monkey beats a log on a tree to attract a female, or had various foods and drinks and learned languages.

This is life and a belief system that everyone should try to embrace and if the possibility isn't there then it is your obligation to teach and show that in the end







we are not too different afterall.







Well said.

creativesoul's photo
Tue 06/30/09 09:22 AM
Interesting additions...

flowerforyou To all!!!


Jeremy wrote...

It seems to me that any belief held to despite contrary or lacking evidence shows something about the character of the person, or lack there of.


I am not so sure that I would equate a person's overall character to how well grounded some aspects of their belief system are. I actually know that that is not an indication of quality of character, in terms of integrity or honesty or kindness or empathy or etc.

All that really shows is a reflection of how deeply invested one's world-view is on 'faith' alone.

no photo
Tue 06/30/09 11:50 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Tue 06/30/09 11:59 AM

Interesting additions...

flowerforyou To all!!!


Jeremy wrote...

It seems to me that any belief held to despite contrary or lacking evidence shows something about the character of the person, or lack there of.


I am not so sure that I would equate a person's overall character to how well grounded some aspects of their belief system are. I actually know that that is not an indication of quality of character, in terms of integrity or honesty or kindness or empathy or etc.

All that really shows is a reflection of how deeply invested one's world-view is on 'faith' alone.

Well I do.

If someone says they believe women are supposed to be subservient to men and cannot justify this belief outside of imaginary entities I start to think less of them.

To me how one comes to acquire beliefs are directly related to character.

To me character is cumulative. Each decision and each understanding stand on the shoulders of the previous. We can choose to change this, but as you so aptly pointed out, why would we unless we doubt what we believe.

So for me reevaluation is the path to a rich character.

Faith for me is anathema to character.

creativesoul's photo
Tue 06/30/09 08:16 PM
Ah Jeremy...

I agree that there are, in fact, many people such as the example you gave. Sad but true. Do not forget that there are those who are not that way as a result of their beliefs, with th same religion - no less.

Personal truth defines character, so in a sense, I actually agree with you. However, I would not necessarily think that I could define the totality of one's character by what they believed without having a very broad understanding of that, which requires much time and conscious effort.

I do not completely trust my own personal judgement, nor do I intend on ever attempting to hold it as an absolute. I always meet new people who never cease to surprise me in some way.

So, I suppose that you may actually have a good point, to some degree.

drinker

MirrorMirror's photo
Tue 06/30/09 08:50 PM

SkyHook5652's photo
Wed 07/01/09 01:54 PM
Edited by SkyHook5652 on Wed 07/01/09 01:58 PM
Interesting additions...

flowerforyou To all!!!

Jeremy wrote...

It seems to me that any belief held to despite contrary or lacking evidence shows something about the character of the person, or lack there of.


I am not so sure that I would equate a person's overall character to how well grounded some aspects of their belief system are. I actually know that that is not an indication of quality of character, in terms of integrity or honesty or kindness or empathy or etc.

All that really shows is a reflection of how deeply invested one's world-view is on 'faith' alone.

Well I do.

If someone says they believe women are supposed to be subservient to men and cannot justify this belief outside of imaginary entities I start to think less of them.

To me how one comes to acquire beliefs are directly related to character.

To me character is cumulative. Each decision and each understanding stand on the shoulders of the previous. We can choose to change this, but as you so aptly pointed out, why would we unless we doubt what we believe.

So for me reevaluation is the path to a rich character.

Faith for me is anathema to character.


If I understand you correctly, then Honor, Courage, Trustworthiness, Honesty, Compassion, Ethics, etc., have no bearing on your evaluation of quality of character.

Is that really true?!?!? Or have I misunderstood something?

no photo
Wed 07/01/09 05:44 PM
Peoples "Core Beliefs" fall by the wayside when they are Scared.

Just watch a few episodes of "Scare Tactics" on Sci Fi and you will see. drinker


no photo
Wed 07/01/09 06:47 PM


I would say - study, study, and more study. Educate yourself and see the history of each belief system. Eventually the idealogies you cherish will make you as an individual feel good.

Now a certain belief system that one enjoys may change over time due to more information through either experience or education.

I think there is a message to be heard that many have not realized.

The world and its diversity is meant for us to explore and learn from.

The world is a beautiful place full of different continents and cultures. Each with its own reasons and celeberation of life. We as a people should learn from them and enjoy the benefits it offers. Don't be stuck in your own paradox of what you grew up with, but explore the many different idealogies life can offer. It will give you as a person the opportunity to be more flexible allowing understanding, compassion, anticipation, and love as a whole.

With that being said I may have not answered the question directly, but it does leave open thoughts of perhaps how we as a people can be to ensure more peace and love in this world.

I would say if you as a human no different then the next human who may have different idealogies that are not common in your belief system should research deeper in understanding why such a belief system came to be in the first place. With that being said also experience the notion of such a life even if it is a brief moment!

Have you done a rain dance with native indians, or a celeberation dance of a newborn with an African tribe, or maybe enjoyed the long walk on the Chinese wall feeling and sensing how much hard work was put into it and its history, or enjoyed the Japanese culture looking at the imperial sword understanding its significance to the country, or visited a castle in Europe, or seen displays of famous naturlists and civil rights leaders, or sat at a classical concert listening to music that the artistrocrats enjoyed in the 1600s, or had the chance to see wildlife studying the reasons why raccoons wash their hands before eating, or why a certain type of monkey beats a log on a tree to attract a female, or had various foods and drinks and learned languages.

This is life and a belief system that everyone should try to embrace and if the possibility isn't there then it is your obligation to teach and show that in the end







we are not too different afterall.







Well said.


Thank you very much!drinker

galendgirl's photo
Wed 07/01/09 07:14 PM
Changing a personal belief is really about growing and evolving as a person. You may base an old or new belief on something you've learned or something from a different culture that resonates with you for the first time (for whatever reason!) You may also develop a new paradigm based on experience, emotion or expectation that is somewhat more organic to your own sense of self. That new personal belief may or may not line up with anyone else's or with any belief system you can identify. You might just be a "mutt" with some combination of beliefs that work for you.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer to the OP. Just various interpretations.

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