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There is talk he will be 'Plasticized'
 
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There is talk he will be 'Plasticized' He's already been done in wax. 
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I don't think it is more important than the average persons death. Certainly not to me! I think the reason for so much discussion is just the shock of it. I think it is natural to comment to another, "hey did you hear...." We do that in daily life when we know someone just died and we bump into a common friend. 
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I don't think it is more important than the average persons death. Certainly not to me! I think the reason for so much discussion is just the shock of it. I think it is natural to comment to another, "hey did you hear...." We do that in daily life when we know someone just died and we bump into a common friend. Problem?? 
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Did you read about all of the music tapes that they found that have never been made public?! Cool!!!  Yes, many hours of tape. Now they're saying that there's enough material from his show rehearsals for two albums.   More music in the future.
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One of the many gripes in your opening post was (and these are your words): I just don't understand what makes a celebrity death so much more important than a regular person's death. Yes, Michael Jackson was a great entertainer, but why should his life mean more to me, an average person, than mine would mean to him? Does a celebrity morn (sic) the death of a fan, the one who made them the celebrity they are? I answered that question. So again I ask you, are you mad because I answered your question? Or, are you mad because I was ABLE to answer your queston? OR....are you just mad because I was able to answer your question which you presumed to be unanswerable? You keep going back to MJ.. it isn't about him that I posted this. His death, being the third of celebrities, just made me think about the big deal made of celebrity deaths. You are judging me without knowing me. If anyone seems angered in their response, it is you. You answered in your opinion, and I told you I respected your views. YOU on the other hand, have absolutely no respect for my views. It is only my opinion, not how I think things should be. And it actually started out as a question wondering why, to be answered. Not being given sarcastic answers as many have given just because I don't feel about a celebrity as they do. Most of the answers given were in defending a certain celebrity. Not giving me insight as to why such a big deal. Even when I mentioned doctors whose actions affect more lives, it was still given that celebrities are more important for their dancing, singing and acting. How come no one responded on my observation on how much Joe Jackson cared more about promoting his new record label first than talking about his son? I don't want to be in a group of fanatics. Mob mentality just gets so distorted. I am just as sorry for the death of Billy Mays as I am about Karl Malden as I am about Michael Jackson. It is sad when anyone dies... my question was WHY IS A CELEBRITY SO MUCH MORE IMPORTANT? Only a moment for someone who does good for the world, but so far a week for someone who sang and danced. Yes, they may not touch my heart as much as they touch yours. But because we disagree in our opinions doesn't give anyone the right to be disrespectful and try to belittle the other. I am done with responding to this topic.... People can't respond and comment as adults. Cutting someone down or falsely accusing them of "being mad" is discouraging. |
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Talk about full of yourself! I answered your question by informing you of David Cassidy, not Michael Jackson. You asked a question that you obviously didn't think could be answered, specifically, "Does a celebrity morn (sic) the death of a fan, the one who made them the celebrity they are?" I answered it, and you're pissed off about it. Spare me your righteous soapbox crap. If you don't want answers, don't ask the questions! Not everybody is going to share the same views as you. Deal with it.
"Self appointed expert"? When it comes to the field of music, yes! |
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I think I DID comment as an adult. In fact, I KNOW that when we bump into people, and someone that we both have in common has passed away, it is very common to say, "hey did you hear joe blow died?" Regardless of the
Faces, we all do or have done that. I have had MANY close losses in my family. Everyone in fact. I know these celebs don't matter as much to me as my own did. I'd guess that is true with us all. Perhaps you are right..that it is the fact that they touched more people in various ways and for various reasons than many of us ever will. Perhaps it is the media, who has kept it going and will til it's done. Maybe it's just the way it is because that is the way it has always been? I don't know. Normal to bring it up in conversations. Not normal to put more emphasis on any of these recent newsmaking deaths than our own loved ones. |
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Sorry for the faces
but I was trying to follow what you were saying with the bumping into common people and not caring as much as you would with people you know and being shocked. I think I'm still grieving. Let's be friends. 
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i guess we are suppose to feel sorry for someone. who takes drugs and killes hisself. i was never really into micheal jackson, but people never learn. no matter how much money you have, DRUGS KILL.
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Umm....I don't think that was the intended, deliberate thing in this case.
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Maybe because he touched the lives of many in a humane way and perhaps this has something to do with it............
Charity biography Michael Jackson wrote “We Are The World” with Lionel Richie in 1985 and performed it as part of an all-star single to raise money for Africa in 1985. The Millennium-Issue of the “Guinness Book Of Records” names Michael as the “Pop Star who supports the most charity organizations”, according to JacksonAction.com, which has an extensive timeline of Jackson’s charity work. Charities supported: Michael Jackson has supported the following charities: * American Cancer Society * Big Brothers Big Sisters * Boys' and Girls' Clubs of America * Childhelp USA * Children's Defense Fund * Elizabeth Taylor Aids Foundation * End Hunger Network * Great Ormond Street Hospital Causes supported: Abuse, AIDS, Animals, At-Risk/Disadvantaged Youths, Cancer, Children, Education, Environment, Family/Parent Support, Health, Hunger, Mental Challenges, Physical Challenges Just my £1 worth............ |
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This is an interesting column by Bob Herbert published July 3rd, 2009 in the New York Times. I think it answers some of our questions about this frenzy.
Herbert wrote: "In many ways we descended as a society into a fantasyland, trying to leave the limits and consequences and obligations of the real world behind. Politicians stopped talking about the poor. We built up staggering amounts of debt and called it an economic boom. We shipped jobs overseas by the millions without ever thinking seriously about how to replace them. We let New Orleans drown. Jackson was the perfect star for the era, the embodiment of fantasy gone wild. He tried to carve himself up into another person, but, of course, there was the same Michael Jackson underneath — talented but psychologically disabled to the point where he was a danger to himself and others. Reality is unforgiving. There is no escape. Behind the Jackson facade was the horror of child abuse. Court records and reams of well-documented media accounts contain a stream of serious allegations of child sex abuse and other inappropriate behavior with very young boys. Jackson, a multimillionaire megastar, was excused as an eccentric. Small children were delivered into his company, to spend the night in his bed, often by their parents. One case of alleged pedophilia against Jackson, the details of which would make your hair stand on end, was settled for a reported $25 million. He beat another case in court. The Michael-mania that has erupted since Jackson’s death — not just an appreciation of his music, but a giddy celebration of his life — is yet another spasm of the culture opting for fantasy over reality. We don’t want to look under the rock that was Jackson’s real life. As with so many other things, we don’t want to know." |
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Key words in that are allegations/alleged. Since his death, said abused boy has now stated that he lied about it all. I don't think this really has anything to do with the OP asking why people in general "seem" to regard celebs in higher esteem than our own losses. I think it really is simple. They were famous, they died, some suddenly, and those stories were news worthy. We talked about them.
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auburngirl:
"... they were famous, they died, some suddenly, and those stories were news worthy. We talked about them. * * * Besides, such is the human nature: GREAT people talk about IDEAS... Regular people talk about things... SMALL people talk about OTHER PEOPLE * * * |
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Edited by
lighthouselover
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Sun 07/05/09 03:11 PM
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Never mind... it just goes in a circle I guess... lol That was not the point of my post. It's not about MJ. It's about the silliness given to a celebrity death over the death of someone else. silliness? interesting. so, the point of your post is about what you have labeled as silliness. alright. I am being a bit facetious here...sorry. I understand what you are saying Where was the TRIBUTE to the doctors who made breakthroughs in medicine when they passed? I am sure what they did was much more important than entertainment. Or the scientists that helped man reach the moon and other extraordinary discoveries? Isn't that a global occurrence that everyone benefited from? there have been many tributes to many scientists, doctors, nurses, teachers, saints, popes, religious leaders, presidents, etc. I watch them all the time on TV...I read about them in books and on the internet... honestly, people have a stronger reaction when something is emotional to them. you know that. people are tied to certain things that bring back memories...and that person/celebrity was part of that...they might equate that to a kind of 'death' of part of their own childhood... really, it doesn't bother me...it is an interesting sociological study in human behavior. the reasons will be endless and as varied as the people who would answer the survey, no? I am not knocking your feelings for celebrities. Fans are fans; no one should try to take that away from them. I just can't see crying and getting so worked up for someone I never knew. I liked his music, I like Billy Mays even! Ed McMahon made me laugh, and Farrah introduced me to boyhood fantasy. I was a big John Wayne fan, Stevie Rae Vaughn fan, Vincent Price fan, even liked Elvis and John Lennon. But my world did not collapse and stop when they died. When I heard the news they passed, I paused, reflected a little, said a silent prayer, and went on with my day. I can't see crying, leaving work, taking a day off from work, and just wanting to be left alone because someone who I never met and who was not concerned about me, a celebrity, passed away. how many people did have their world end when one of these people died? how many people took the day off? how many people just did the same thing you did? What is the right way to handle the death of someone? anyone? is there a way to handle the death of someone you have not met, yet was a major influence in your life vs. a family member who did not influence you? the "norm" of grief reaction? (something I am very familiar with, and the subject of my book.) the 'argument' is one of human behavior and a sociological phenomenon. great scholars have studied human behavior for years...and still have great debates about it. It could be something as simple as the 'crowd mentality'. people have a desire, a need to belong...and some person that brings people together under a common theme...they can yield a lot of power, no? It's not that I don't like celebrities. I appreciate that they worked and sacrificed to get where they are. But without people, they wouldn't be on that pedestal. People touch our lives everyday with their music, their acting, their literary works, but I feel that without us, they wouldn't be who they are. Okay, sitting in a comfortable chair waiting to get slammed by rebuttals again.... yes, it does go 'round and 'round....  You can look at it as simple logic; the larger the number of people that know someone, the larger the number of people that will react to that person. it also sounds to me (just a bit perhaps) that you think this is another instance where the world/life is not fair. and by now, you and I both know that life is not fair. period. why do you take any rebuttal as "being slammed"? interesting... Back on page 5...I had posted this.... This is an interesting column by Bob Herbert published July 3rd, 2009 in the New York Times. I think it answers some of our questions about this frenzy. Herbert wrote: "In many ways we descended as a society into a fantasyland, trying to leave the limits and consequences and obligations of the real world behind. Politicians stopped talking about the poor. We built up staggering amounts of debt and called it an economic boom. We shipped jobs overseas by the millions without ever thinking seriously about how to replace them. We let New Orleans drown. Jackson was the perfect star for the era, the embodiment of fantasy gone wild. He tried to carve himself up into another person, but, of course, there was the same Michael Jackson underneath — talented but psychologically disabled to the point where he was a danger to himself and others. Reality is unforgiving. There is no escape. Behind the Jackson facade was the horror of child abuse. Court records and reams of well-documented media accounts contain a stream of serious allegations of child sex abuse and other inappropriate behavior with very young boys. Jackson, a multimillionaire megastar, was excused as an eccentric. Small children were delivered into his company, to spend the night in his bed, often by their parents. One case of alleged pedophilia against Jackson, the details of which would make your hair stand on end, was settled for a reported $25 million. He beat another case in court. The Michael-mania that has erupted since Jackson’s death — not just an appreciation of his music, but a giddy celebration of his life — is yet another spasm of the culture opting for fantasy over reality. We don’t want to look under the rock that was Jackson’s real life. As with so many other things, we don’t want to know." Yuppers...I think I could have written an article.... Society....it is an interesting study... When I was just a little girl, I asked my mother...what will I be... |
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Key words in that are allegations/alleged. Since his death, said abused boy has now stated that he lied about it all. I don't think this really has anything to do with the OP asking why people in general "seem" to regard celebs in higher esteem than our own losses. I think it really is simple. They were famous, they died, some suddenly, and those stories were news worthy. We talked about them. I talked about them. I talked about the weather too. I talked about the fireworks that I saw this weekend. I talk.
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The gist of the matter, really, is that --
BESIDE OF BEING A GREAT TALENTED ENTERTAINER -- the world (and more specifically, the BIZ) HAS LOST THE GREATEST CASH COW! ! ! Therefore, we won't be allowed to forget it for quite a while! |
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I actually paid about as much attention to MJs death as I have others of no fame. I looked at what we lost on this planet in the form of another human and what they contributed to this world.
Of course MJ meant more to some than others, that doesn't make it wrong. Everyone sees the world differently and it applies to those that influence them. |
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Edited by
JaneStar1
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Sun 07/05/09 06:19 PM
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Of course MJ meant more to some than others, that doesn't make it wrong. Everyone sees the world differently and it applies to those that influence them. It seems to me, we get attached to the celebrities, because their art happens to be attached to our emotional state of being at one time or another... For instance: MJ had many great soulfull songs. But one, in particular, nested deep inside my heart -- again, because of my emotional state at that particular time -- its called "I just can't stop loving you". My boyfriend, at that time, made a multiple recording of that song -- making it last for 25 minutes! Now, imagine making love to that song -- YOU CANNOT FORGET THAT!!! |
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