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Topic: Clinton Threatens to Attack Iran ‘The Way That We Did’ I
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Mon 06/08/09 04:04 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Mon 06/08/09 04:05 PM
Clinton Threatens to Attack Iran ‘The Way That We Did’ Iraq

Citing the disastrous 2003 US invasion of Iraq as an example, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton today warned that by continuing to refuse to abandon its civilian nuclear program, Iran was risking the possibility of an invasion by the US or “some other enemy that would do that to them.”

The comments came during an interview on ABC’s “This Week” program, and when asked by interviewer and former Clinton-era official George Stephanopoulus, Secretary Clinton reiterated “that’s right, as a first strike.”

The bulk of the interview emphasized US opposition to the Iranian program, along with unquestioned claims that the nation was pursuing nuclear weapons. Secretary Clinton also extended the American nuclear umbrella over Israel in the event that Iran attacked them.

Considering it was no more than 72 hours ago that President Obama made his historic call for a “new beginning” to US relations with the Muslim world, it seems incredible that his administration is already raising the prospect of an Iraq-style invasion of Iran.

Already six years in, the Iraq occupation has killed thousands of US soldiers, sucked trillions from the American economy, and is stretching the military to its limits. It is unfathomable that with this war still far from over, the Obama Administration is considering an Iraq redux in its larger neighbor to the east.

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/06/07/clinton-threatens-to-attack-iran-the-way-that-we-did-iraq/


LOL...so much for the Middle-East "peace" talks, by Obama.

IMO, she should STFU.



Connected:

Iraq war could cost taxpayers $2.7 trillion

In addition to the cost of war, taxpayers pay for rising veteran health care costs, and returning soldiers faced with foreclosure and unemployment.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- As the Iraq war continues with no clear end in sight, the cost to taxpayers may balloon to $2.7 trillion by the time the conflict comes to an end, according to Congressional testimony.

In a hearing held by the Joint Economic Committee Thursday, members of Congress heard testimony about the current costs of the war and the future economic fallout from returning soldiers.

At the beginning of the conflict in 2003, the Bush administration gave Congress a cost estimate of $60 billion to $100 billion for the entirety of the war. But the battle has been dragging on much longer than most in the government expected, and costs have ballooned to nearly ten times the original estimate.

William Beach, director of the Center for Data Analysis, told members of Congress that the Iraq war has already cost taxpayers $646 billion. That's only accounting for five years, and, with the conflict expected to drag on for another five years, the figure is expected to more than quadruple. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., told members of Congress that the war costs taxpayers about $430 million per day, and called out the Bush Administration.

"It is long past time for the administration to come clean and account for the real costs of the war in Iraq," said Schumer. "If they want to disagree with our estimates or with other experts ... fine - they should come and explain why."

The Bush Administration, which was invited to give testimony, declined to participate.

The Pentagon has previously said that the war costs approximately $9.5 billion a month, but some economists say the figure is closer to $25 billion a month when long-term health care for veterans and interest are factored in.

Health care: In testimony before the committee, Dr. Christine Eibner, an Associate Economist with research firm RAND, said advances in armor technology have kept alive many soldiers who would have been killed in prior wars. But that has added to post-war health care costs for veterans, especially for "unseen" wounds like post traumatic stress disorder, major depression and traumatic brain injury.

Two-year post-deployment health care costs for the 1.6 million service members currently in Iraq and Afghanistan could range from $4 billion to $6.2 billion, according to Eibner. For one year of treatment, the costs are substantially lower, ranging from $591 million to $910 million. Eibner admitted that the study did not take into account long term care, and her estimates probably underestimate the total costs.

However, Eibner noted that an increasing number of soldiers are not seeking the care that they need, which affects their ability to get and maintain jobs. And, that, she said, must change.

"Many service members are currently reluctant to seek mental health treatment due to fear of negative career repercussions," said Eibner. "Policies must be changed so that there are no perceived or real adverse career consequences for individuals who seek treatment."

Unemployment: Furthermore, many veterans who recently completed their service are coming back to a difficult job and housing market.

Among veterans who completed their service within the last 1 to 3 years, 18% were unemployed, and 25% earned less than $21,840 a year, according to a recent report commissioned by the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Trying to convince [job interviewers] that my service will translate into skills ... at a bottling factory or a distributing company is almost like you're speaking French to someone who doesn't speak French," said Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America policy associate Tom Tarantino.

Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer agreed, saying the government does a poor job at readying veterans for post-Army life.

"We haven't figured out how to convert a warrior to a citizen yet," Schweitzer told the committee.

Foreclosure: Many soldiers who come home from active duty are also finding difficulty keeping their homes.

"Military families are already shouldering heavy burdens to care for and support families while their loved ones are serving abroad or recovering at home," said Schumer. "Knowing that so many more are losing their homes to foreclosure is heartbreaking -- and its just plain wrong."

The senator said that Army personnel returning from duty are at a 37% higher risk of foreclosure, because the areas populated by military families have substantially larger foreclosure rates.

"Veterans of Iraq and Afghanistan deserve better," testified Tarantino.

Tarantino recommended Congress quickly sign into law an update to the World War II GI Bill, which would help ease the economic hardships returning solders are feeling.

"More than any other single piece of legislation, the GI Bill will make a difference in the economic futures of the troops returning every day from Iraq and Afghanistan," he said.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/11/news/economy/iraq_war_hearing/index.htm


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Mon 06/08/09 04:06 PM
let's not forget N Korea too. like we need more wars?

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Mon 06/08/09 04:11 PM
yeahhhhhh more wars

that'll crank up the old economy

our total military strength is about 900,000. about the same as the population of Albuquerque. Let's send em Dallas too and see what happens

Atlantis75's photo
Mon 06/08/09 04:17 PM

let's not forget N Korea too. like we need more wars?


Let's attack France too, while at it...Sarkozy is terrible, his country needs bombing.

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Mon 06/08/09 04:28 PM
France is no fun. they just surrender to the first threat and then we're responsible for their economy.

no Frenchman is allowed by law to work more than a 35 hour week

Atlantis75's photo
Mon 06/08/09 04:30 PM

France is no fun. they just surrender to the first threat and then we're responsible for their economy.

no Frenchman is allowed by law to work more than a 35 hour week


Do you know how Hitler took over France in WWII?

The german army marched by walking backward through the border and told the french "We're leaving!"


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Mon 06/08/09 04:48 PM


let's not forget N Korea too. like we need more wars?


Let's attack France too, while at it...Sarkozy is terrible, his country needs bombing.


why not....we seem to be wanting wars we everyone. I could be wrong but I see similarities between Iraq and Iran when it comes to going to war

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Mon 06/08/09 05:34 PM
Iran wants cheaper power, not nukes! Read the article. They don't want to attack anyone, never have! We won't allow them nuclear power to help with their energy needs. That's in direct violation of the world court..... but do we care? Guess not. We didn't care what the world thought with the Iraq issue either.

Time to bury your guns and food supplies before they are confiscated under marshal law!

BHO is putting us on the fast track to HELL. Fema camps (work brigades) or the military.... not much choice, and heaven help our young!

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 06/08/09 05:54 PM
grumble husien did itgrumble

adj4u's photo
Mon 06/08/09 05:58 PM

Iran wants cheaper power, not nukes! Read the article. They don't want to attack anyone, never have! We won't allow them nuclear power to help with their energy needs. That's in direct violation of the world court..... but do we care? Guess not. We didn't care what the world thought with the Iraq issue either.

Time to bury your guns and food supplies before they are confiscated under marshal law!

BHO is putting us on the fast track to HELL. Fema camps (work brigades) or the military.... not much choice, and heaven help our young!



drinker

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 06/08/09 06:06 PM

Iran wants cheaper power, not nukes! Read the article. They don't want to attack anyone, never have! We won't allow them nuclear power to help with their energy needs. That's in direct violation of the world court..... but do we care? Guess not. We didn't care what the world thought with the Iraq issue either.

Time to bury your guns and food supplies before they are confiscated under marshal law!

BHO is putting us on the fast track to HELL. Fema camps (work brigades) or the military.... not much choice, and heaven help our young!
drinker bho iz anit chistdrinker

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 06/08/09 06:41 PM

Iran wants cheaper power, not nukes! Read the article. They don't want to attack anyone, never have! We won't allow them nuclear power to help with their energy needs. That's in direct violation of the world court..... but do we care? Guess not. We didn't care what the world thought with the Iraq issue either.

Time to bury your guns and food supplies before they are confiscated under marshal law!

BHO is putting us on the fast track to HELL. Fema camps (work brigades) or the military.... not much choice, and heaven help our young!


I see so many comparision to Iran and Iraq. we don't need more wars.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 06/08/09 07:24 PM
:smile: Iran is NOTHING like Iraq. :smile: The Iranian people are Persian and Iraqis are Arabs.:smile: Also different and opposing religions.:smile:

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Mon 06/08/09 07:25 PM
and Iran is at least twice as big as Iraq and Iran kicked the Iraqi's asses in the first gulf war

yellowrose10's photo
Mon 06/08/09 07:25 PM

:smile: Iran is NOTHING like Iraq. :smile: The Iranian people are Persian and Iraqis are Arabs.:smile: Also different and opposing religions.:smile:


I am WELL aware of that. If you read previously....this is what I was talking about

I could be wrong but I see similarities between Iraq and Iran when it comes to going to war

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Mon 06/08/09 07:28 PM
Burack...... excuse me.....

Even the name is like belchin up a sour old gas bubble after swallowin somethin foul......

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 06/08/09 07:31 PM
flowerforyou One of my college instructors was an Iranian professor.flowerforyou Brilliant woman.flowerforyou

Atlantis75's photo
Mon 06/08/09 07:33 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Mon 06/08/09 07:37 PM

:smile: Iran is NOTHING like Iraq. :smile: The Iranian people are Persian and Iraqis are Arabs.:smile: Also different and opposing religions.:smile:


It's not only that, but just think about it. Iraq had its weapons and army pretty much destroyed after Desert Storm, and they were junk to begin with...they bought up used and outdated crap from Russia anyway.

Meanwhile Iran was financed by USA and received lots of weapons before and during the Iraq/Iran War in the 70s and later, they were making their own stuff anyway and received fairly new army toys not long ago from Russia.

Also consider, that Iran with the population of 70 million, they aren't oppressed (perhaps some) like Saddam was a dictator in Iraq so there isn't any significant anti-government, but actually most are support their government. Iran also have more money and connections to Russia and China and Syria and so on...with lot's of oil and a fairly "ok" economy as economies go today.

So, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to pi$$ off 70 million people, with a significant navy/air force/army available and ready for fight, especially now having the US military spread thin all over the place in the Middle East and people are tired and sick of war, not even gonna talk about the economy and the people being divided left/right and disappointment growing with the current administration.

Sure, USA could take on it...if it comes down to that, but it would be trillions of dollars, a very high body count and a possible civil unrest in USA.
Not even gonna mention what Russia or China might do after destroying their trading partner.

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Mon 06/08/09 07:36 PM
America’s image in the Middle East is as low as it has ever been. With the occupation of Iraq; the Israeli bombing of Lebanon; and Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo Bay, the United States has been cited in polls as the gravest threat to peace in the region. But Iran is different, even the Iran of someone like Mr. Gorbani, who works in a fundamentalist gift shop.

Generally speaking, Iranians like Americans — not just American products, which remain very popular, but Americans. That is not entirely new: Iranians on an individual level have long expressed a desire to restore relations between the countries. But the sentiment seems much more out in the open now.

It is spreading not only on the streets of Tehran, but also in the way politicians talk. A former student hostage-taker, the mayor of Tehran, even the supreme leader himself, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, have said it is not out of the question to restore relations with the United States someday.

-NY Times

Iranians dig us. If we attack them all those people will turn against us and then we'll have a handful

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Mon 06/08/09 07:37 PM
:smile: Iran won't go down as easy as Iraq.:smile: I guarantee it.:smile: We may not be able to take them down anyways at this point.:smile: It would have been tough to do even at our most powerful.:smile:Plus, I don't think the Iranian people are bad people anyways.:smile:It's OUR goverment that attacked them.:smile:It's our goverment that supported the dictator Shah, and after their revolution tried to overthrow their lawful democratic goverment and unlawfully invade their territory.:smile:

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