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Topic: 使用一个良好的开端对我的新语言
TJN's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:27 PM
Getting a head start on my new language.

Since China basically owns us I would at least like to know what they are saying about us.laugh

robert1652's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:33 PM
Kids in Russia are already studying Chinese instead of English as second language go figure

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:37 PM
I speak Texanbigsmile

metalwing's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:40 PM

I speak Texanbigsmile


Yee Haw!!! Wow: That does sound kinda Chinese!!! :cry:

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:41 PM
:laughing:

TJN's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:48 PM

I speak Texanbigsmile

Is that why no one can understand you:tongue:
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:50 PM
grumble dems fighting words. here's another word for ya...BAAAAAAAAAAAlaugh

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Fri 05/29/09 04:56 PM
hmmmm Cantonese? Mandarin? or Hakka?

half of China can't understand the other half

TJN's photo
Fri 05/29/09 04:59 PM

hmmmm Cantonese? Mandarin? or Hakka?

half of China can't understand the other half

Thanks! I was having a hard enough time with whatever one that was. Now there's morelaugh

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Fri 05/29/09 07:28 PM

hmmmm Cantonese? Mandarin? or Hakka?

half of China can't understand the other half


That's the question. I want to study it too. It never hurts to know the language of the business.

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Fri 05/29/09 07:43 PM

The Beijing Guanhua (Mandarin) dialect is the official language in China.

At the fall of the Qing Dynasty in 1911, there was no single, national language in China nor an education system that could teach the proper sounds of any of the languages. There were archaic dictionaries and a literary Chinese over a thousand years old that little resembled the spoken vernacular. The new government decided a national language (Guoyu) must be established and so it was decided by a group of scholars in 1913 that Mandarin be made the standard. A set of phonetic symbols were created (zhuyin fuhao) and a dictionary created called Guoyin zidian (Dictionary of National Phonics). However, this dictionary did not resemble Mandarin as it was spoken because it retained pronunciations of the Ru-sheng characters, so it was a mix of northern pronunciation with the rhymes of the southern languages. Not a single person could speak the language set down in this dictionary except Yuen Ren Chao (Zhao Yuanren), a native Wu speaker but skilled linguist and phonetician who is famous for developing the tone contour system used by linguists and doing much of the early dialect fieldwork. He is the one who made a set of recordings of this dictionary for use in schools. Nobody really could learn from this dictionary, and it wasn't until 1932 that a dictionary based on the pronunciation and speech of Beijing came about. Now, in addition to the term "Guoyu" (which is the term now used in Taiwan), Putonghua or "universal language" has become the national term for the official language. This is usually called Huayu "Chinese language" by most overseas Chinese. Another term, zhongwen is used to refer to Chinese in a more literary sense.

It was originally thought in the early stages of developing Mandarin as the national standard that within 100 years, or by 2030, that the whole nation would be unified linguistically under Mandarin. Because of the sheer size of China and the number of various languages spoken there, teaching everybody Mandarin and making it the national standard has been a very long journey, and even now with less than 30 years to go, most of the languages and dialects are thriving. In many schools, classes are given in the local language and Mandarin is studied as the universal language (much like a foreign language class) to use for speaking with any non-locals.

http://www.glossika.com/en/dict/faq.php


The above site included a link to this site: http://chinese.glossika.com/
It supposed to offer free lessons. I haven't really checked it out though, but it might be a good place to start.

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Fri 05/29/09 07:52 PM
frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated

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Sat 05/30/09 05:02 AM

frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated



I never thought I could learn a second either, but after moving to and living in Georgia for a while, I really started to pick up this strange new tounge (I think they call it redneck). Before you knnow it I was using phrases like,"Yall" and "fixin to..." So I think you just have to emerse yourself in the culture for a bit. So soon enough when they foreclose for none payment we will have plenty of em around to learn from.

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Sat 05/30/09 08:03 AM

frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated


Don't be so hard on yourself. Your English is pretty good for a Texan.

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Sat 05/30/09 09:01 AM
Edited by smiless on Sat 05/30/09 09:02 AM
My daughter is learning Mandarin in her school.

I myself have memorized almost 500 symbols.

What is interesting about Mandarin is that if you higher the tone of your voice on a particular word it can mean a whole different word then you intended. Tones are very important in Mandarin.

To read a Mandarin Newspaper I would need to know at least 2000 symbols. So I am 25% there alreadylaugh

I am not learning Mandarin because I fear China is taking over a country, but I am learning it because I am fascinated with this ancient culture and its people.

All the best on your studies. If you truly learn the language you will come to enjoy the people also.drinker

I must add anything takes work in life. Once you get a hold of it though then it becomes easier. Good luck:smile:

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Sat 05/30/09 09:11 AM


frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated



I never thought I could learn a second either, but after moving to and living in Georgia for a while, I really started to pick up this strange new tounge (I think they call it redneck). Before you knnow it I was using phrases like,"Yall" and "fixin to..." So I think you just have to emerse yourself in the culture for a bit. So soon enough when they foreclose for none payment we will have plenty of em around to learn from.
MUST BE SOME RICH AZZ REDNECKS HERE!!!!! There are more homes over 400,000 in forcloser here than any other!!!!

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Sat 05/30/09 11:14 AM


frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated



I never thought I could learn a second either, but after moving to and living in Georgia for a while, I really started to pick up this strange new tounge (I think they call it redneck). Before you knnow it I was using phrases like,"Yall" and "fixin to..." So I think you just have to emerse yourself in the culture for a bit. So soon enough when they foreclose for none payment we will have plenty of em around to learn from.


laugh I'm fluent in redneck...I struggle with english at times though...so I guess I do speak a 2nd language laugh

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Sat 05/30/09 12:25 PM
Yes Mandarin is the official language and most will understand that in China. Of the dialects, I think most americans if they've been exposed it'd probably be to Cantonese. I'm taiwanese and can understand taiwanese but I can't speak it...go figure. The official language there is also mandarin.

Tough language for americans to learn because the sounds are so different and there are 5 different accents so the inflection you use on words change the meaning. For example (ma) can be mom, horse, scold, or kind of as a modifier to change a phrase into a question (ie Ni how ma? = how are you and Ni how = hello. But the grammar in chinese I think is simpler than most languages, like, there are no tenses, you use context to determine the tense or you actually mention the time like instead of saying "I went to the store", which is the same as "I'm going to the store" you might say "yesterday, I went to the store".

Zai Jian

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Sat 05/30/09 04:20 PM



frustrated I've never been good at learning a second language. and I used to live in the phillipines and my aunt is from koreafrustrated



I never thought I could learn a second either, but after moving to and living in Georgia for a while, I really started to pick up this strange new tounge (I think they call it redneck). Before you knnow it I was using phrases like,"Yall" and "fixin to..." So I think you just have to emerse yourself in the culture for a bit. So soon enough when they foreclose for none payment we will have plenty of em around to learn from.


laugh I'm fluent in redneck...I struggle with english at times though...so I guess I do speak a 2nd language laugh


I used to be most fluent in redneck. Couldn't any sailor top me at the time. I dropped it later on in lew of a more calmer, quieter language, "wom-man-ish". LOOK OUT!:wink:

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Sat 05/30/09 04:25 PM
hey Kat...I can speak b*tchinese too bigsmile

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