Nobody here is scamming for benefits.

Every one of us may need help one day. All it takes is an illness, old age, car accident, or a natural disaster. A person's life can change in a blink of an eye.

Propaganda and scare tactics.

Tell me, can I sign a waiver, and be left alone? I know I can't. Why?

Because, if you could allow me to be free, then you would not be communist. You can not allow anyone any waivers.

I must pay for someone healthcare, because one day.....bla bla bla..
I must pay for social security, because one day......

I am ready to sign a waiver, that I refuse any help. Now.
I can't do it.

Because if you allow that to happen, then the only people who would remain in the communist paradise, will be the ones never intending to pay back to anyone anyway.

And this is the whole truth about communism. It s not about any insurance against that "one day".

ummmmm well, I kinda am

Thanks, quiet. LOL

I am not, on the other hand. I am ready to sign a waiver refuzing any help from any public sources, in exchange for being released to be obligated to pay in to those.

If communists were not lying about their argument that "one day I will need help", then they would gladly release me with a waiver.

The fact that they don't, proves that they do lie about "that one day".

You're not scamming, Quiet.

Actually you paid into the insurance and now it's paying you.

I don't care if you paid into or not. You need help.

I never went to prison either hon. I did however spend a few weeks in a nasty ass jail. And 5 years probation, and 8,000 dollars in lawyers and court fees and restitution. And the rest of my life being not good enough to live my best life.

I want nothing from you. I never have. But in my opinion...and it is my opinion...those that have, can sure help those that don't. I lived by that rule for years. I still give what I need to those that need it worse than me.

All I am saying is that something needs to be done. It is because of our broken system that the insurance rates for everyone is too high. We and I mean everyone without health coverage is responsible for the prices of healthcare. I know that. I am not proud of that. I just want to be able to get care before it is too late if it isn't already. You know? If the government or anyone could find a way to make insurance affordable for those that can't even come close to having it now, would come up with a solution,,,it would make a world of difference to all, you included.

Kat

None of my business if you did go to prison. My best friend did. I still like him.

"..those that have, can sure help those that don't." - this is a good principle, except, one thing. Those that don't have, never ever get too busy trying to get anything, so that they can pay back to those who does have.

I do have experience with those who "don't have". They give me excuses. Example:

Dude, why don't you simply get a better job or work harder?

"Work sucks. Too hard. Stupid job. Hate fncking work there".

Yeah. Apparently, you think I just love to go and work at my place?

They tell me: "Yah, but your job is way easy. All you need to do is to tell somebody to do something or push few buttons."

True, but this wasn't free for me either. Don't forget to add full high school, private teachers, top of the class grades, military university for 6 years. All that sweating while you were doing dope and neighboring girls, dude. Do you think it was all pleasure to work that hard, when all your friends are partying and having a ball? You think I never wanted to just have fun? Just do what feels right? We get what we work for.

He says: "Sure, man, but now I don't have money to go take the school again and feed my family at the same time."

That's true. This is because you did not take your first chance. No offense, but you didn't have to drop out of the school. And remember, I don't have any second chances either! I can't go back and take my school sweetheart to a drug party where I could have done her. That time is gone, and what is missing is missing forever, for both of us. You think I wouldn't like to go back and just live "off the road and my Camaro", instead of studying books till I am green in my face? But I just can't.
So, why don't you stick with what you prepared for yourself, and I suffer with what I have missed?

He says: "That's just ain't fair".

Ha - no propaganda and scare tactics. It's reality! I've worked with disabled people and people that have had head injuries and strokes. Life changes in the blink of an eye.

Nope, you can't be left alone. When something happens to you and you're hungry and need help, there will be people that care about you and they will try not to let you be hungry.

i think there will be a time when the money for all these programs to help people with medical care.......just runs out.


social security???? omg, when im older.....I would place money that it wont even exist.

it is not cost effective to save every single person that we can. to do everything.........for people with a gazillion comorbidites. but yet we do it.

there is a time to live.
and there is a time to die.

Yes. Fortunately, their communist system is dying. What we can do today is to help it die, by overloading it.

Most important is to understand, that to hold a conservative line in practice, is to support communism. I suspected that of conservatives, and now that they turned fascist, I know it for sure.

Why? Because by limiting the expenses of communists, we balance them, and make it possible for their ultimate self-destruction to arrive later than earlier. We act no different than a hostage doctor. We cure our tyrant. Instead, we should overload it with abuse, and show anyone who cares how to use the system in his own favor, so that the decease of communism progresses very fast.

There is yet another positive effect of accelerating collectivist destruction.

If we wait for several generations to be born under a collectivist plague, these generations not being fully capable people themselves, will make the return to normal life after the fall of communist completely impossible. Case in point: Russia. They really wanted to return, but they could not, and they are in limbo ever since. With such a great number of deficient (damaged by collectivism) citizens, normal life is anything but possible.

Therefore, if we are to hold any hope, that US would have a chance of recovery, collectivists must be destroyed as soon as possible. The degree of possible recovery will depend heavily on how quickly they reach their destruction.

What this means is that as soon as communist healthcare is instituted, everything possible must be done to first find ways of abusing it.

Secondly, the know-how needs to be distributed, and actively used.

Such an abuse would prompt communists to look closely into people's cases, to spot and disallow potential abusers. This is good, because the harsher they are on spotting the abusers, the less benefit versus effort they can deliver, and so on one hand they will be running out of supporters who will be more and more disappointed with such a bureaucratic treatment, and on the other hand, there will be more and more reason to call collectivists out and paint them as hard left, not far from fascists, for their deep inquiries.

Working like this against the communists is easy and fun, plus, it is immediately compensated by a material gain. Nature itself gives us this great weapon against the collectivists, - the natural weakness of their construct against exploit, and we should use this weapon. Contrast to this a theoretical opposition, - how well did that go? Not very well. Zombies are unable to follow an argument. We can not find a single case, where anti-collectivists would have won, by arguing.

I can't help but feel you are a kind person. I hear that you worked hard to get where you are. Does that mean I didn't, or others? I have worked hard all my life. Very hard. I work hard now. I just got out of a ten year job that I owned. But it collapsed due to the economy and housing. I worked sometimes 15 hour days 7 days a week. Granted I could take breaks when I wanted and long lunches. But, I usually didn't.

All I wa ssaying is that we have to find a way to help everyone.

Why on earth should a millionaire get ss or medicare?? Because he paid in? He will never use it...or he will and just gets to keep his wealth. I think these people should voluntarily give it up for the common good. Humanity.

Welfare...it needs to be fixed. It is causing more debt than ever before. Not to mention people who really need it can't get it but cheat the government by saying you don't know where the dad is and get more and more all the while still living with them and money coming and while driving new cars and wearing good jewelry. Working under the table and saying you don't have a job.

There has to be something that can be done. If insurance was affordable I would of course buy it. I barely pay bills. But, I do.

Kat

did a search on google

free clinics moore ok

then clicked the more hits option and this is one of them

St. Charles McAuley Free Clinic
The St. Charles - McAuley Free Clinic serves the parish and the community by providing free health care to people without health insurance. Volunteer lab technicians, nurses, office workers, pharmacists and physicians staff the clinic. Patients may be referred to other physicians in our community for care not provided by the clinic. Referral physicians are volunteers or work at very low cost. Some patients may be able to get their medications free at the clinic. Programs such as diabetes education and consultation on dietary needs are provided to patients.
Location of clinic
4915 N. State Street
Phone Number (405)495-4667
e-mail: btrimble@peak.org

Euthanize the healthcare system.......interesting concept. I wonder exactly HOW one would go about doing that

does that mean I would lose my Medicare?

does that mean medical research will stop??

how the hell will I ever cure cancer???

Noblenan and Adj4u did something nice for Kat.

I hope Kat starts feeling better soon.

If NoGames has his way.