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Topic: proveing god with the scientific method
Quantumthoughtbubble's photo
Tue 05/19/09 06:47 PM
observation, hypothesis, testing, and prediction think
This is the basic platform for the scientific method.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
When i put this phenomena to the test it I observed it's answers 100% feedback ratio. My original hypothesis was that I was crazy but as it is very improbable that I could get an answer every single time by "chance" I predicted that I would not be going loony tunes any time soon. I concluded that I was write because after 7 years my room remained unpadded and my jacket is still gay. bigsmile

Abracadabra's photo
Tue 05/19/09 07:04 PM

observation, hypothesis, testing, and prediction think
This is the basic platform for the scientific method.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.


This is absolutely incorrect.

The scientific method is far more than this.

It also requires repeatablity and the verification by many unbiased and completely skeptical, doubting, and challenging independent researchers and experimenters.

That's science!

What you're talking about in the OP is an entirely personal experience that was not even verified by an independent observer baised or otherwise.

There is absolutely no way for anyone else to distinguish your experience from delusion, schizophrenia, imagination due to fear, smoking pot, alchohol, whatever.

What you had was a personal experience that was totally uncontrolled with respect to the way that scientific experiments are done.

Valid?

Perhaps.

Scientific?

Not even close.





Abracadabra's photo
Tue 05/19/09 07:18 PM
Edited by Abracadabra on Tue 05/19/09 07:21 PM
Another way you could have brought your experience into the realm of science would have been to go to several independent psychologists and/or psychiatrists and had them all interview you and write independent reports on your story based on questions they chose to ask, etc.

That would have brought it at least a little more into the realm of science since it would have given a wider base of unbiased vantage points with which to exam the story.

I think rather than attempting to call it "scientific proof of God", you'd be far better off just sharing it as a personal experience and forget about trying to prove it to anyone.

After all, if God wants people to know he/she/it exists shouldn't God make him/her/itself known to people?

Was there anything in these broadcasts where God instructed you to know go out and convince the rest of the world that he/she/it exists? spock

Quantumthoughtbubble's photo
Tue 05/19/09 08:16 PM

This is absolutely incorrect.

I don't think it's "absolutely" incorrect. But deffinitly, by popular opinion, found lacking. Damn my high school science teacherrant


The scientific method is far more than this.

I guess I would have to agree.whoa


It also requires repeatablity and the verification by many unbiased and completely skeptical, doubting, and challenging independent researchers and experimenters.


That would be fun to be a part of:angel:


That's science!

What you're talking about in the OP is an entirely personal experience that was not even verified by an independent observer baised or otherwise.


Not true, I shared every expeinence with My 'ol man.Even if had subjected it to The kind of testing you're suggesting I would still have skeptics saying that I must be lying about my question. Even If I wrote the question down before hand the skeptics would question my interperatation of the answer.


There is absolutely no way for anyone else to distinguish your experience from delusion, schizophrenia, imagination due to fear, smoking pot, alchohol, whatever.

What you had was a personal experience that was totally uncontrolled with respect to the way that scientific experiments are done.

Valid?

Perhaps.

Scientific?

Not even close.



now how do I go about changing the title to this thread? Witch by the way was made in haist.oops

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 05/19/09 08:36 PM
observation, hypothesis, testing, and prediction
This is the basic platform for the scientific method.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
When i put this phenomena to the test it I observed it's answers 100% feedback ratio. My original hypothesis was that I was crazy but as it is very improbable that I could get an answer every single time by "chance" I predicted that I would not be going loony tunes any time soon. I concluded that I was write because after 7 years my room remained unpadded and my jacket is still gay.


If you want to create a survey to prove a point, you can't be the only one that completes the survey. If you create an IQ test based on what YOU know, it will have severe limitations. If you pose a hypothesis and want to test it, there is a great deal more to the process than just a self-inclusive test.

That is NOT science and what you have done is not an experiment.

Miracles are what they are because they can not be repeated. So if you are claiming a miricle, science should be left out of it.

I think that's the real point some others have been trying to make here.


Quantumthoughtbubble's photo
Tue 05/19/09 10:13 PM

Another way you could have brought your experience into the realm of science would have been to go to several independent psychologists and/or psychiatrists and had them all interview you and write independent reports on your story based on questions they chose to ask, etc.

I don't even know if that would work. The questions have always been mine.

That would have brought it at least a little more into the realm of science since it would have given a wider base of unbiased vantage points with which to exam the story.

I think rather than attempting to call it "scientific proof of God", you'd be far better off just sharing it as a personal experience and forget about trying to prove it to anyone.

After all, if God wants people to know he/she/it exists shouldn't God make him/her/itself known to people?

Maybe it does but people aren't listening.

Was there anything in these broadcasts where God instructed you to know go out and convince the rest of the world that he/she/it exists? spock

At one time I was confused on weather I should tell anyone. My answer was not to keep it all to myself. But the rest of the world,....no.

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Wed 05/20/09 02:04 PM
Just got 1 question for you Quantum.

So you think God took a personal interest in your well being and guided you. So what would you say to the 5 yr old who gets raped by her father? Sorry, God must like me better than you?

Quantumthoughtbubble's photo
Thu 05/21/09 04:38 PM

Just got 1 question for you Quantum.

So you think God took a personal interest in your well being and guided you. So what would you say to the 5 yr old who gets raped by her father? Sorry, God must like me better than you?


COINCIDENTALLY i WAS RAPED AT 5 YEARS OLD!:angry: Thanx very much for the reminder.:cry: This system of things is ruled by evil. I can assure you that if rules by love the word rape would'nt even be in the dictionary. I just wanted to share an expeience I had and still have on occasion to this very day. I'm still a baby in universal knowledge so asking me won't do you any good.

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Thu 05/21/09 04:54 PM
I think your experience proves Bell's Theorum more than it proves G-d

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Thu 05/21/09 06:07 PM
Edited by MorningSong on Thu 05/21/09 06:10 PM
Quantumthoughtbubble...heard others share similar stories......

God's hand of protection is on us all.... and angels surround us....

I was one day walking in a grassy field....heading in the direction of some others about 50 yards away from me.....

when suddenly I stopped but continued talking to them at a distance ,and waving my hands at them, yet I did not know why I stopped.

Then I looked down, and just a few inches from my feet was a snake.....but he was not moving....he was just poised ready to strike ...but his head was near the ground.... as if something unseen was holding it down...

I backed away slowly...and I remember I did not even have any fear.

But it was strange how I stopped suddenly like that..and how it looked as if something invisible were holding that snake's head pressed down.

Angels ?

Yep.
I wouldn't doubt it at all.

Quantumthoughtbubble ...no doubt....God was protecting you also.

((((((flowerforyou:heart:Quantumthoughtbubble:heart:flowerforyou))))))))

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Thu 05/21/09 09:45 PM

When the end does come, I imagine a new doctrine would be given to us and every religious sect who absolute "knew" that they had the only truth, they'll be reluctantly admitting that they were wrong about certain key points.

I wasn't raised with any particular dogma. Mom said there is a god and he's good. Aside from that we never read the Bible, sparsely prayed, I didn't know the 10 commandments ,And we never went to church. I was always intrinsically(spell?) a good person because that was the rite way to be, not because I was scared to go to "hell".I've always had a strong belief in karma, you reap what you sow, good things happen to good people...whatever you want to call it. Later on in life,about 6years ago, I had an experience that changed my life, I won't get into ALL the details, but I put a bad man in jail. He had the resources to to get to me even while he was incarcerated. I worked at a night club and got off very late. at 4 in the morning there aren't allot of cars on the highway and this same black SUV kept pase with me, I slowed down, he slowed down, I put on my blinker, it followed suit and so on........I'm getting worried. I spoke these words" GOD if you're out there I need your help" then I turned on the radio. The very first thing I heard was. I"m here at club so and so and I"m gonna get ya threw the night. Then I said "is that really you?" The radio goes on " yes it's ME D.J. so and so listen real carefully to win." The next song went like this : You had to be a big shot didncha had to open up your mouth -had to have a white hot spot lite-had to be a big shot last night> The significance of the song is that I didn't have to let him know that it was me who put him in jail. The night he got arrested I let him know that he had stolen from the wrong person. I knew he had warrants he didn't have to even see me. Anyway getting back to the road. Every song after that had a direction in it. One song said that there are two wrong ways and only one is right. I just happened to be stop at a 4 way intersection, so I took a right. Each song gave me more insight on what way to go, and finally,after a long while I lost the car. I must have stayed parked and hidden for an hour or so before heading home. Think God he only knew where I worked and not where I lived. Needless to say I quit the next day. So coming out of that ordeal I'm thinking"I must be crazy -or it was just a coincidence. But I'm a scientific type of person, so I put to use the scientific method. Make a hypothesis and keep testing. Time and time again a message would come through different types of media and even other people. One time I was going to cheat on my boyfriend.....I didn't know what to do so I opened the Bible to random page and read a random #. It spoke about the whore of Babylon... and something about being unclean. So I didn't do it. I used the bible like that many times I've prayed silently in quite house and the person in the other room says "yes". He thought he heard me call him but I hadn't uttered a sound. This would also work when there were no media or people available. My house was right off the main road so I would ask for two honks for yes and one for no. The speed and accuracy of my answers never once let me down!
I began study the bible and other religions. What's sad is that I don't "communicate" like that as often as i used to. Maybe because I've got a firm grip of the reality that there is a God, where as before it was only an inclination and I needed a revelation. But I do find that when I really need guidance and concentrate on it, the answer is always around the corner, I need only to stop and listen. I'm not saying this would work for everyone but it did for me.

So I'm open to hearing your comments. Even if it's to tell me I'm nut bag. Believe me I thought I was too in the beginning.


I don't believe you are a nut bag, but I do believe that we ourselves have all the answers we need.

I used to go to the library when I had something weighing on my mind and needed an answer. I would simply state to myself that I would go and find that answer. Each time I would open a book, I would find something that related to my situation and gave me the answer. Why? Beause I believed that it would. Not religion, not god, just me believing would find the answer because I could.

You believe it was God coming to your rescue. I believe you came to your own rescue because you had the power with in you all the time.

Now one day I would like to have it just come to me with out any ritual of going to the library, but it's so much fun to do that I don't really care.

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Thu 05/28/09 12:27 AM


I don't believe you are a nut bag, but I do believe that we ourselves have all the answers we need.

I used to go to the library when I had something weighing on my mind and needed an answer. I would simply state to myself that I would go and find that answer. Each time I would open a book, I would find something that related to my situation and gave me the answer. Why? Beause I believed that it would. Not religion, not god, just me believing would find the answer because I could.

You believe it was God coming to your rescue. I believe you came to your own rescue because you had the power with in you all the time.

Now one day I would like to have it just come to me with out any ritual of going to the library, but it's so much fun to do that I don't really care.


I'm so glad that other people experience this phenomena as well. Weather you attribute it to a higher power or or feel that it's you own higher power, it is still a very real happening.
Thank you boo to you
and thank you jeanie bean

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