New 'prisoner abuse' photographs emerge despite US bid to block publication

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/5325444/New-prisoner-abuse-photographs-emerge-despite-US-bid-to-block-publication.html


Again, don't click on this article, because it will pi$$ you off , there is torture picture from Guantanamo prison, that Obama doesn't want to be put out for public. I see why now.

The entire Bush government is a criminal and no better than nazis.

I checked your profile and it appears you were in the military. Are you against "alternative means" to get needed information from terrorists or "enemy combatants"?

I'm disturbed (more than normal) by a lot of these pictures. I won't pretend to know how it is in a war or anything...so I can't begin to know what is right/wrong....good/bad....part of war/not

this isn't much differnt than the others I have seen before...but I don't understand why they don't just do something and get it over with

First the article didn't state that the picture or the pictures discussed in the article were from Guantanamo prison. I have no doubt that the prisoners were not tried fairly or up to international protocol. Secondly, how do we not know that the picture displayed was the action of the prisoner, not the guards.

Very few nations observe Geneva convention or humane treatment protocol for prisoners during wartime.

I will most likely be chastised for this but I was in the Marine Corps. There are ways to get information from individuals who are stubborn. Sometimes it is necessary to extract information that is vital to preventing something from happening that may severely outweigh one combatants "rights".
Do I believe in taking appendages or taking away functions like eyesight or hearing?
No
I honestly have no problems with other "alternative means of information retrieval though.
The old adage is...
"I will die for my country and it's citizens to remain free"

What I was taught was...
I will kill the enemy if necessary for my right to remain free"

When you start to think about how cruel Americans might have been in treatment of the enemy, try to remember the visuals of people being beheaded or shot point blank over there (Iraq/Afghanistan). Now, to feel the anger and hatred an American soldier may feel, visualize that person being one of your chidren and see if you can sympathize ...

Compared to what has been experienced as "Brutality" in other wars, these photos look pretty tame. Handing upside down? Maybe that was intimidation and maybe it was the guy stretching his back. These photos are not very graphic.

During early WWII the big discussion was about the "war crimes" committed by the German U boats for sinking commercial ships in open sea without warning. As soon as the US entered the war after Pearl Harbor, the US starting sinking the Japanese commercial ships in the same way. This policy was a major reason for the defeat of the Japanese.

War is hell. I don't know who coined the phrase but ....

politics is politics.

"War Is Hell" is a common phrase dating back at least as far as a speech by William Tecumseh Sherman


I won't even begin to think I know the first thing about war. I usually defer to the soldiers that have been there

I am so glad (sarcasm) that we have 'evolved' so much in this country that we can hate a group of people so much that we don't care if they are mis-treated.

Back during Vietnam, one incident of frustration induced insanity caused an event that gave our troops a bad name as 'baby killers'. My dad's buddy got knifed in an Airport coming home just because he wore the uniform.

With these pics of mis-treatment I really don't think any of us care enough, otherwise don't you think something would have been done about it by now?

No, we only care about money and the well being of our young men and women overseas. Other groups of people? Forget about it, they just don't care.

You think, people who were in the military approve torture? My brother is an Iraq vet and he is the most outspoken person against the war. He published a book and been in local newspapers about it.
Most anti-war, anti-torture people are the vets, because they seen it and know it how bad it is and how not right.

If this is the best they could come up with there is no story here.A guy stretching over his bed and not even restrained is not torture.I was hoping we could see some more pictures of the guys doing the pyrmid or some more of the german shepards barking at them.That was good stuff!This is lame.

Stop being such a damned Nancy!

ok...honestly....i still can't get the concept of "rules of war" to me war IS hell....but I've never been to war so I don't know what happens there.

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zap...Atlantis is not a nancy hun. I can see his point. from a civilian I think the pictures are awful....but I don't know the soldiers mentality either

Point one: Ah,,, you're not a vet?
Point two: I myself disagree with the pretense on which THIS war was based.
Point three: I agree with your brother's right to voice his opinion and his courage. THIS WAR is wrong by standards of the worlds opinion and mine.
Point four: You are lumping anti-war voices and anti-torture voices together, an assumption of alliance which is poorly used to back up an opinion that is not necessarily the majority.
Point five: Whichever party YOU align yourself with, you can not be happy now just by the contents of your post.
Point six: Would you like to debate the other post I made?
Point seven: The "most outspoken" person of the Iraq war didn't participate in it.

Regards,
Y&Im1