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Topic: U.S. Becoming History's Largest Welfare State
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Tue 05/05/09 05:14 AM
Numbers reveal Obama driving U.S. into socialism

President Obama may be determined to use the current economic crisis as an excuse for "Obamanomics" to transform the United States into the world's largest socialist state, Jerome Corsi's Red Alert reports.

Data emerging from the Congressional Budget Office and various international agencies, including the International Monetary Fund and the Organization for Economic Co-Operation and Development, or OECD, indicate the Obama administration's $3.6 trillion federal budget will dramatically increase government spending as a percentage of gross domestic product, or GDP, on a scale that rivals even the European Union social welfare states of France, Great Britain and Germany.


Moreover, with the Obama administration suggesting the U.S. Treasury could convert bailout loans to the 19 largest U.S. banks into common stock to extend the remaining $100 billion or so of Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP funds, a government nationalization of the nation's top banks is a real possibility, Corsi wrote.

This, following the Obama administration's decision to fire General Motors chairman and chief executive Rick Wagoner, extends central government management of the private economy under President Obama to a degree many would only expect in socialist nations.

Before President Obama took office, the OECD projected total U.S. government spending is expected to be 39.9 percent of gross domestic product, or GDP, by 2010, compared to 47.1 percent in the Eurozone, a gap of less than an 8 percent.

Only a decade earlier, U.S. government spending was 34.3 percent of GDP, compared with 48.2 percent in the Eurozone, a gap of approximately 14 percent.

The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the cumulative deficit from 2010 to 2019 under President Obama's proposed $3.6 trillion federal budget would total $9.3 trillion, a figure that would nearly double the nation's current $11 trillion national debt.

Before including the Obama administration's plan to pass a government-funded universal health care insurance program, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal spending on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will increase from the current 18.2 percent of GDP, to 28.3 percent in 2050, and 35.3 percent in 2082.

Adding to the calculation the interest payments required to service the national debt, the Congressional Budget Office estimated federal spending will hit 41.8 percent of GDP in 2050 and 75.4 percent by 2082.

Including the interest payments on the Obama administration's proposed expansion of the national debt means Congressional Budget estimates that interest payments on the national debt could reach 75.4 percent of GDP by 2082 are too low, Corsi wrote.

Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., senior Republican on the Senate Budget Committee and President Obama's first choice to be secretary of Commerce, emphasized the point by telling National Public Radio on April 14, that President Obama's proposed federal budget deficits would "take our national debt up to about 80 percent of our gross domestic product," when a nation does not qualify for membership in the European Union if the nation's debt is 60 percent of GDP.

The Congressional Budget Office has repeatedly warned that running federal budget deficits that result in dramatically expanding national debt by trillions of dollars in the next few years will diminish the prospects for growth in the U.S. economy.

In a letter to Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., dated May 19, 2008, Peter Orszag, director of the Congressional Budget Office, explained that trillions of dollars in projected federal deficits "would crowd out productive investment in capital in the United States" by absorbing funds from the nation's pool of savings and absorbing foreign capital that might otherwise be invested in the U.S. private economy.

At the G20 meeting in London on April 2, French Prime Minister Nicolas Sarkozy and German Chancellor Angela Merkel rejected proposals by President Obama and British Prime Minister Gordon Brown to engage in massive deficit spending to fund increased social welfare spending to stimulate the global economy out of recession.

Just prior to the G20 meeting, Merkel told the Financial Times in London that Berlin intends to be more responsible than Washington, respecting as a restraint Germany's €1.54 trillion ($2.057 trillion) public debt – a figure that looks small in comparison to the U.S. national debt, which just topped $11 trillion.


Merkel suggested Germany was not in the same position as China.

"I think China can do much more [than Germany] to encourage domestic demand because of its massive reserves," Merkel told the Financial Times. "We are in a completely different situation, we have negative reserves."

China currently has nearly $2 trillion in foreign exchange reserves, the most held by any country in world economic history, gained largely through China's massive and continuing positive balances of international trade with the United States.

China has committed to an $800 billion economic stimulus program of its own, having lost some 20 million jobs, largely because its manufacturing plants have had to close by the thousands as U.S. consumer demand has weakened.

Merkel further warned that President Obama was repeating the problem that caused the global economic meltdown in the first place.

Specifically, her charge was that the economy collapsed because the economic stimulus after Sept. 11 depended entirely upon the credit abundantly made available when then-Fed Chairman Greenspan held interest rates at 1 percent in 2003 and 2004.

"This crisis did not come about because we used too little money but because we created economic growth with too much money, and it was not sustainable growth," Merkel told the Financial Times. "If we want to learn from that, the answer is not to repeat the mistakes of the past."

On March 26, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown received a similar warning in the European Parliament, when conservative British EU Member of Parliament Daniel Hannan gave a tongue-lashing to Brown that went viral on the Internet and became the most watched clip of any kind in the world in 48 hours.

Red Alert's author, whose books "The Obama Nation" and "Unfit for Command" have topped the New York Times best-sellers list, said just as Hannan warned Brown "you have run out of our money," Merkel intends for Obama to hear the same admonition from her next week.

Corsi received his Ph.D. from Harvard University in political science in 1972. For nearly 25 years, beginning in 1981, he worked with banks throughout the U.S. and around the world to develop financial services marketing companies to assist banks in establishing broker/dealers and insurance subsidiaries to provide financial planning products and services to their retail customers. In this career, Corsi developed three different third-party financial services marketing firms that reached gross sales levels of $1 billion in annuities and equal volume in mutual funds. In 1999, he began developing Internet-based financial marketing firms, also adapted to work in conjunction with banks.

In his 25-year financial services career, Corsi has been a noted financial services speaker and writer, publishing three books and numerous articles in professional financial services journals and magazines.

For more information on Obama's plans for socialism and for financial guidance during difficult times, read Jerome Corsi's Red Alert, the premium, online intelligence news source by the WND staff writer, columnist and author of the New York Times No. 1 best-seller, "The Obama Nation."


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Tue 05/05/09 05:27 AM
A good read. Thank you for sharing thatdrinker

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Tue 05/05/09 05:29 AM
Very good post.


"The Congressional Budget Office has estimated that the cumulative deficit from 2010 to 2019 under President Obama's proposed $3.6 trillion federal budget would total $9.3 trillion, a figure that would nearly double the nation's current $11 trillion national debt.

Before including the Obama administration's plan to pass a government-funded universal health care insurance program, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal spending on Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security will increase from the current 18.2 percent of GDP, to 28.3 percent in 2050, and 35.3 percent in 2082.

Adding to the calculation the interest payments required to service the national debt, the Congressional Budget Office estimated federal spending will hit 41.8 percent of GDP in 2050 and 75.4 percent by 2082.

Including the interest payments on the Obama administration's proposed expansion of the national debt means Congressional Budget estimates that interest payments on the national debt could reach 75.4 percent of GDP by 2082 are too low, Corsi wrote."

I have commented on this problem several times recently. The current projections on debt payments are based on low interest rates. The low interest rates have been artificially created by the flood of money make available by the US federal reserve. When the flood gates close (look at what is happening to the value of the dollar) the interest rates will rise and the interest payments will eat up most, if not all, of the national budget. No country in history has survived who outspent its treasury.

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Tue 05/05/09 05:48 AM
Trying to help sell a book, Poker?

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Tue 05/05/09 05:53 AM
The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality
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The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality

Author Jerome Corsi
Country United States
Language English
Subject(s) Barack Obama, early life and career of Barack Obama, Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008
Publisher Threshold Editions, an imprint of Simon & Schuster
Publication date August 1, 2008
Media type print (hardcover)
Pages 384

ISBN 1416598065
The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality is a controversial bestselling book by Jerome Corsi intended by its author to oppose Barack Obama's candidacy for President of the United States.[1] The book alleges Obama's "extreme leftism", "extensive connections with Islam and radical politics", "naïve...foreign policy", past drug use and connections to corrupt backers, among other things.[2] The book has been criticized for containing factual errors, as being racially charged and as being a political "attack book" containing smears, falsehoods, and innuendo. FactCheck described the book as "a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."[16]


Corsi said his purpose in writing the book was to "defeat" Obama in the 2008 United States presidential election.[1] In the book, he recounts Barack Obama's upbringing and early political career in Chicago and argues that Obama is an "extreme leftis[t]" who should not be elected president. The book claims to document "Obama's extensive connections with Islam and radical politics", his "religious affiliation with ... black-liberation theology", and his associations with controversial pastor Jeremiah Wright, fundraiser Tony Rezko,[9] and radical activists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, formerly of the Weather Underground.[2] The book also argues that Obama supports "far-left domestic policy" and "naïve ... foreign policy predicated on the reduction of the military", and that he is therefore unsuitable to be the President of the United States.[2]

The book opens with a quote by the Andy Martin, who the The Nation, [17], The Washington Post,[18] and The New York Times[19] have identified as the primary source for the allegations that Obama is concealing an alleged Muslim faith, rumors which began shortly after his keynote speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention


The rest here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Obama_Nation

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 06:36 AM
I'm not reading that book.laugh

PokerKing420's photo
Tue 05/05/09 07:13 AM
I'm not reading it either, just found it interesting :P

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Tue 05/05/09 07:16 AM
Edited by smiless on Tue 05/05/09 08:12 AM
I personally believe that the German Chancelor's approach is correct. Being fiscal responsible maybe a smarter approach in the long run. If products don't sell then the debt rises, unemployment rises, and insecurities continue as a whole. Why have additional debt to carry when it can be avoided?

It is like you have a job on commission. If you are not selling you don't bring in the money to pay the bills, yet you go to the bank to borough another 10,000 dollars to stay afloat.

So as the months go by you are to pay back monthly but can't because you are not selling products do to the recession.

So ask yourself seriously I(in the long haul) if it was smart that the US goes to other nations asking for money?


One can only "hope" that Obama's administration with his backing of Congress know what they are doing.

What would be interesting to know is how they will pay it back. Is it a 20 year fix? Is it indefinite with each nation? The leaders simply say, "Pay it whenever you have it?"

When lending money, relations can get cold if one doesn't pay back a debt. Especially in a time of world recession where money is valuable.

Here is a list of countries the US owes. The estimates are approximate and some may be off (as it could be higher) for it changes all the time.

Foreign owners of US Treasury Securities (January 2009)

Nation billions of dollars percentage

Mainland China 739.6 = 24.07%
Japan 634.8 20.66%
Oil exporters 186.3 6.06%
Carribean banking centers 176.6 5.75%
Brazil 133.5 4.35%
United Kingdom 124.2 4.04%
Russia 119.6 3.89%
Luxembourg 87.2 2.84%
Taiwan 73.3 2.39%
Hong Kong 71.7 2.33%
Switzerland 62.1 2.02%
Germany 56.4 1.84%
Ireland 50 1.63%
Singapore 38.3 1.25%
Thailand 37.2 1.21%
Mexico 34.9 1.14%
India 32.5 1.06%
Turkey 31.3 1.02%
Korea 31.3 1.02%
Norway 21.9 0.71%
France 17.9 0.58%
Israel 16.9 0.55%
Egypt 16.9 0.55%
Netherlands 16.8 0.55%
Italy 15.6 0.51%
Belgium 15.5 0.50%
Chile 15.2 0.49%
Sweden 12.4 0.40%
Philippines 11.6 0.38%
Colombia 11.3 0.37%
All other 179.4 5.84%

Grand Total 3072.2


Now don't get me wrong. If the US can pay back its debt and keep the economy profitable and afloat then the decision was a good one, but if not then it could really bring in cold relations and bad profits.



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Tue 05/05/09 07:40 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 07:46 AM

I'm not reading it either, just found it interesting :P


"The book has been criticized for containing factual errors, as being racially charged and as being a political "attack book" containing smears, falsehoods, and innuendo. FactCheck described the book as "a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

Things like that don't interest me. I like unbiased facts.

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Tue 05/05/09 09:15 AM
Really? You like unbiased facts you say. Then tell us or display some example of a unbiased fact.

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Tue 05/05/09 09:48 AM

I personally believe that the German Chancelor's approach is correct. Being fiscal responsible maybe a smarter approach in the long run. If products don't sell then the debt rises, unemployment rises, and insecurities continue as a whole. Why have additional debt to carry when it can be avoided?

It is like you have a job on commission. If you are not selling you don't bring in the money to pay the bills, yet you go to the bank to borough another 10,000 dollars to stay afloat.

So as the months go by you are to pay back monthly but can't because you are not selling products do to the recession.

So ask yourself seriously I(in the long haul) if it was smart that the US goes to other nations asking for money?


One can only "hope" that Obama's administration with his backing of Congress know what they are doing.

What would be interesting to know is how they will pay it back. Is it a 20 year fix? Is it indefinite with each nation? The leaders simply say, "Pay it whenever you have it?"

When lending money, relations can get cold if one doesn't pay back a debt. Especially in a time of world recession where money is valuable.

Here is a list of countries the US owes. The estimates are approximate and some may be off (as it could be higher) for it changes all the time.

Foreign owners of US Treasury Securities (January 2009)

Nation billions of dollars percentage

Mainland China 739.6 = 24.07%
Japan 634.8 20.66%
Oil exporters 186.3 6.06%
Carribean banking centers 176.6 5.75%
Brazil 133.5 4.35%
United Kingdom 124.2 4.04%
Russia 119.6 3.89%
Luxembourg 87.2 2.84%
Taiwan 73.3 2.39%
Hong Kong 71.7 2.33%
Switzerland 62.1 2.02%
Germany 56.4 1.84%
Ireland 50 1.63%
Singapore 38.3 1.25%
Thailand 37.2 1.21%
Mexico 34.9 1.14%
India 32.5 1.06%
Turkey 31.3 1.02%
Korea 31.3 1.02%
Norway 21.9 0.71%
France 17.9 0.58%
Israel 16.9 0.55%
Egypt 16.9 0.55%
Netherlands 16.8 0.55%
Italy 15.6 0.51%
Belgium 15.5 0.50%
Chile 15.2 0.49%
Sweden 12.4 0.40%
Philippines 11.6 0.38%
Colombia 11.3 0.37%
All other 179.4 5.84%

Grand Total 3072.2


Now don't get me wrong. If the US can pay back its debt and keep the economy profitable and afloat then the decision was a good one, but if not then it could really bring in cold relations and bad profits.



Well you certainly will not get an unbiased answer as to whether Obama and the people behind him know what they are doing, from Mingle, or I would at least hope you wouldn't expect to. LOL

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Tue 05/05/09 09:56 AM
The cult of personality...

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Tue 05/05/09 10:08 AM


I'm not reading it either, just found it interesting :P


"The book has been criticized for containing factual errors, as being racially charged and as being a political "attack book" containing smears, falsehoods, and innuendo. FactCheck described the book as "a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

Things like that don't interest me. I like unbiased facts.


LOL
Sorry.
I just couldn't help thinking this is the right place to find believers in the factual errors, smears, falsehoods, innuendo, unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies, and outright falsehoods.

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

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Tue 05/05/09 10:12 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see that Obama be the most hated man in America in by the end of the year. And it isn't going to be his Socialist plan for the American people, but his willingness to continue to be the old wine with new bubbles.

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Tue 05/05/09 10:25 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see that Obama be the most hated man in America in by the end of the year. And it isn't going to be his Socialist plan for the American people, but his willingness to continue to be the old wine with new bubbles.



LOL
A Republican I presume?

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Tue 05/05/09 10:41 AM



I'm not reading it either, just found it interesting :P


"The book has been criticized for containing factual errors, as being racially charged and as being a political "attack book" containing smears, falsehoods, and innuendo. FactCheck described the book as "a mishmash of unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies and outright falsehoods."

Things like that don't interest me. I like unbiased facts.


LOL
Sorry.
I just couldn't help thinking this is the right place to find believers in the factual errors, smears, falsehoods, innuendo, unsupported conjecture, half-truths, logical fallacies, and outright falsehoods.

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh


Tell me about it.laugh

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Tue 05/05/09 10:42 AM



this is liberalism 101...

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Tue 05/05/09 10:56 AM

I wouldn't be surprised to see that Obama be the most hated man in America in by the end of the year. And it isn't going to be his Socialist plan for the American people, but his willingness to continue to be the old wine with new bubbles.


He is already the most hated by some segment of society, so I imagine by the end of the year they will be the same folks that hate him. Considering how different most groups are from one another I don't know how the hell he could please every one.

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Tue 05/05/09 10:56 AM


I wouldn't be surprised to see that Obama be the most hated man in America in by the end of the year. And it isn't going to be his Socialist plan for the American people, but his willingness to continue to be the old wine with new bubbles.



LOL
A Republican I presume?
No. I was once called a Chomskyite. Since I kinda agree with the famous professor about the Democrats and the Republicans are merely the same Party but two different factions of adventurers who compete for the attention of Corporate lobbyists.

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