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Topic: Sheriff: Law protects SUV owner who shot, killed woman
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Tue 05/05/09 04:37 AM
Edited by PokerKing420 on Tue 05/05/09 04:37 AM
Glad to see a little justice happening.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/30/florida.shooting.law/index.html

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Tue 05/05/09 07:25 AM
MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Authorities do not plan to file charges against a Florida orange grove owner who fatally shot a 21-year-old woman, saying he is protected under the state's controversial "no retreat" law.
Bullet holes pocked the windshield of the crashed SUV, and blood stained he passenger seat.

Bullet holes pocked the windshield of the crashed SUV, and blood stained he passenger seat.



But the woman's boyfriend faces second-degree murder charges in her death, because the woman was shot to death during an alleged felony -- the theft of an SUV.


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a lil info helps

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Tue 05/05/09 07:27 AM
so she was stealing his car and he stopped her with a bullet?

case closed

adj4u's photo
Tue 05/05/09 07:51 AM

so she was stealing his car and he stopped her with a bullet?

case closed



""""But the woman's boyfriend faces second-degree murder charges""""

not exactly closed

drinker

but the suv owner should have every right to defend herself and her proberty to any extent she deemed needed

and the boyfriend should face murder charges

then he will cop to the attempted theft and maybe voluntary manslaughter of his girlfriend and get what 10 years or so

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 07:54 AM
Edited by Winx on Tue 05/05/09 07:57 AM
I'm confused. The article said that the owner of the vehicle was protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

But...his life was not in danger. He stopped someone from stealing his car from his barn. He shot the woman driver in the head.

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Tue 05/05/09 07:58 AM

I'm confused. The article said that the owner of the vehicle was protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

But...his life was not in danger. He stopped someone from stealing his car from his barn. He shot the woman driver in the head.









does not matter i guess and it should not matter

if ya wanna stop crime

stop the criminals

who know what may have happened he was obviously at risk or he could not have shot her

why should he have to run away to be safe (no retreat) they may have hurt him if he had not shot

are you saying the right of the thief overrides the right of the right of the victim

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 07:58 AM
The bf should get charged for attempting to steal the vehicle.

I've never heard of this before: "his conduct caused her death, he gets charged with a felony."

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Tue 05/05/09 08:00 AM

The bf should get charged for attempting to steal the vehicle.

I've never heard of this before: "his conduct caused her death, he gets charged with a felony."


she was killed as a result of committing a crime that her boyfriend was involved in

most states have a law that if a death occurs as a result of committing the crime it is then considered murder

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Tue 05/05/09 08:11 AM
Edited by Winx on Tue 05/05/09 08:11 AM


I'm confused. The article said that the owner of the vehicle was protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

But...his life was not in danger. He stopped someone from stealing his car from his barn. He shot the woman driver in the head.



does not matter i guess and it should not matter

if ya wanna stop crime

stop the criminals

who know what may have happened he was obviously at risk or he could not have shot her

why should he have to run away to be safe (no retreat) they may have hurt him if he had not shot

are you saying the right of the thief overrides the right of the right of the victim


I didn't say that about the right of the thief.

But..now that you mention it, I don't think that killing a thief is okay if you are not in danger.



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Tue 05/05/09 08:11 AM



I'm confused. The article said that the owner of the vehicle was protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

But...his life was not in danger. He stopped someone from stealing his car from his barn. He shot the woman driver in the head.



does not matter i guess and it should not matter

if ya wanna stop crime

stop the criminals

who know what may have happened he was obviously at risk or he could not have shot her

why should he have to run away to be safe (no retreat) they may have hurt him if he had not shot

are you saying the right of the thief overrides the right of the right of the victim


I didn't say that about the right of the thief.

But..now that you mention it, I don't think that killing a thief is okay if you are not in danger.





so just let em have your stuff that you worked for?

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 08:12 AM


The bf should get charged for attempting to steal the vehicle.

I've never heard of this before: "his conduct caused her death, he gets charged with a felony."


she was killed as a result of committing a crime that her boyfriend was involved in

most states have a law that if a death occurs as a result of committing the crime it is then considered murder


I've never heard about that law.

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Tue 05/05/09 08:14 AM
most states have that law. if someone is killed during the commission of a felony then the felony perpetrator is charged with the death

some states (California) have the law that you have to flee before using deadly force. some states (Texas) have the law that deadly force is reasonable to prevent theft of property

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Tue 05/05/09 08:16 AM




I'm confused. The article said that the owner of the vehicle was protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger.

But...his life was not in danger. He stopped someone from stealing his car from his barn. He shot the woman driver in the head.



does not matter i guess and it should not matter

if ya wanna stop crime

stop the criminals

who know what may have happened he was obviously at risk or he could not have shot her

why should he have to run away to be safe (no retreat) they may have hurt him if he had not shot

are you saying the right of the thief overrides the right of the right of the victim


I didn't say that about the right of the thief.

But..now that you mention it, I don't think that killing a thief is okay if you are not in danger.



so just let em have your stuff that you worked for?


I won't kill somebody for that.

I do know what it feels like to have something stolen too. I had a car stolen. It was found on fire in a different neighborhood. I didn't have insurance on the vehicle.

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Tue 05/05/09 08:18 AM
wow that sucks

if you'd only had your .357

I see a lot of court cases on TV where the person was committing a felony and got shot during the crime

and the mom always wails "he didnt deserve to get shot for it" and usually he actually did deserve to get shot for it. and prolly would have shot the the victim if he had the chance

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Tue 05/05/09 08:22 AM

wow that sucks

if you'd only had your .357

I see a lot of court cases on TV where the person was committing a felony and got shot during the crime

and the mom always wails "he didnt deserve to get shot for it" and usually he actually did deserve to get shot for it. and prolly would have shot the the victim if he had the chance


I didn't see the car get stolen. Chryslers were getting stolen then, btw. They had a master key here.

I don't think it's worth killing someone for. Maybe a shot in the leg but not death.




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Tue 05/05/09 08:28 AM
hahaha oh yeah, just wound them

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Tue 05/05/09 08:32 AM
If someone is killed during the commission of a felony murder charges can be brought up in most places. Hey? Remember all the discussions on different charges and why they are necessary? *cough*

At any rate.

Say a man is robbing a bank. The security guard fires at the robber missing him but striking a teller killing the teller. The bank robber can be charged in her death even though he didn't shoot her. But for the felony bank robbery he committed she would still be alive.

I am not sure that I agree with deadly force in this case but that's another issue.

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Tue 05/05/09 08:50 AM
Why kill 'em, just blow their knee cap out and their thievin' days are done plus they're gonna go to jail.

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Tue 05/05/09 08:51 AM
but its kinda hard to shoot someone in the leg when they are driving off in your car

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Tue 05/05/09 08:55 AM
+ it's more fun to put that bullet in thier heads anyway. And cides, even if you do shoot them in the leg, you'd probably get sued for some **** like "undue mental anguish" and have to pay them for the rest of your life, Your better off just killing them. If anyone tried to steal my car, I would do the same exact thing. 1 bullet right through the drivers head.

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