Topic: NAMBLA will LOVE new Hate Crimes Bill!!!!!!!!!
norslyman's photo
Mon 05/04/09 07:36 PM
A lot of you naive people seem to think this bill is going to protect poor little innocent gays like Mathew Shepherd. :cry:

Not so.

It is going to protect the RADICAL groups like NAMBLA who clearly state what their goals are.pitchfork

This agenda has been ongoing for a long time.

Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

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Pedophiles And Homosexual Activists Push For Total Sexual Liberation

In August, 2003, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the state of Kansas over the state's criminal sodomy law involving children. The ACLU is defending Matthew Limon, a homosexual who committed sodomy against a 14-year-old boy in 2000. At the time of his crime, Simon was 18 years old. The ACLU is claiming that Limon's conviction is unconstitutionally discriminatory because the penalties for sodomy with a minor are different than for heterosexual sex with a minor.

Kansas Attorney General Phill KIine says the fairness of Limon's sentence should be a state legislative issue, not a constitutional one. According to Kline, "If the ACLU wins in the thrust of their arguments, it means the state has no right to say that it is illegal for an adult to have sex with a 13-year-old child." Kline also fears that an ACLU victory will make it difficult for the state to enforce laws against polygamy, incest, bestiality, and other sexual perversions.

The effort to abolish "age of consent" laws has been a long-time goal of homosexual activists. The 1972 Gay Rights Platform, for example, called for the abolition of all laws prohibiting sex with children. The platform demands: "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

In September, 1995, three homosexual activists published an essay entitled, "The State Of Gay Liberation" in Guide, a homosexual publication. The essay was authored by North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) co-founder David Thorstad, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Professor Richard D. Mohr, and San Francisco journalist Bruce Mirken.

Thorstad, of course, is a life-long pederast and homosexual activist who clearly describes the important linkage between homosexuality and pedophilia. In a speech given before a homosexual group in Mexico in 1998, Thorstad said: "Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization-and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture-ancient Greece and the Renaissance." (David Thorstad, "Pederasty And Homosexuality," NAMBLA web site)

Fellow author Professor Richard Mohr, is a homosexual activist who is an advocate for same-sex marriage and has said he hopes that homosexual marriage will help define "monogamy" out of marriage altogether. (Stanley Kurtz, "Beyond Gay Marriage," The Weekly Standard, Aug. 4-11, 2003)

Bruce Mirken is a homosexual and San Francisco journalist who was arrested in 1998 for attempting to have sex with a 13-year-old boy he had contacted through the Internet. When he entered a Sacramento park to sodomize the boy, he was met by police who had been tracking his activities on the Internet. The charges were eventually dropped against him on a technicality.


Sexual Liberation For Children
Thorstad and Professor Mohr want sexual liberation for children and Mirken believes that AIDS activism is what will help perpetuate and strengthen the homosexual movement.

According to David Thorstad, in "The State Of Gay Liberation," homosexuals must get back to a "radical vision of sexual freedom for all. We need to reaffirm our place in the great variety of same-sex behaviors that exist-have always existed-in human societies. We dare not allow our homosexual gift to be alienated from us by the limited vision, stifling political correctness, and erotophobic provincialism." In short, homosexuals should openly support the promotion of adult/child sex!

Professor Mohr argues that the use of "gay youth" is a key to gaining political and cultural victories in the U.S. He writes: "...these brave youth are key to culture's change on gay issues. Thanks to them, increasingly people know someone for whom being gay is an issue. Thanks to them the gay movement is achieving critical mass." Bruce Mirken claims that radical AIDS activism is what will save the homosexual movement from decline.

The effort to push adult/child sex isn't limited to these three homosexual activists. It is part of the overall homosexual movement. As author Mary Eberstadt wrote in "Pedophilia Chic: Reconsidered" in The Weekly Standard, (Jan. 1, 2001): "The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement."

Eberstadt notes that as the homosexual movement becomes more mainstream, this "question" about adult/child sex will become more prominent. Homosexuals who desire sex with children will do exactly what the ACLU is doing in Kansas:

DESTROY ALL LAWS BANNING SEX BETWEEN ADULTS AND CHILDREN
flowerforyou



soffit's photo
Mon 05/04/09 07:50 PM
I support your outrage and thank you for this info.frustrated frustrated rant huh

norslyman's photo
Mon 05/04/09 07:53 PM
Funny how the gay literature has been in the public fools system for some time now, preparing the kids for this new golden age of molestation.

Here is a perfect example of how they said they would use AIDS awareness to normalize bizarre gay sex.

Pump your fists in the air in celebration all you perverts.laugh
Er, or uh pump your fist in a boys rump?

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BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Public employees teach kids 'gay' sex
Workshops reportedly instruct youths in how to perform homosexual acts

By Frank York
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com | May 9th, 2000

Three HIV instructors in Massachusetts are at the center of a growing controversy after reportedly conducting sexually explicit workshops for teenagers and holding sessions to train teachers in the art of injecting positive homosexual themes into public school materials -- down to the elementary school level.

Two state employees in the HIV division of the Department of Education and an HIV consultant with the Department of Public Health led a March 25 "Teach Out" held at Tufts University. The event was sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN.

Teachers who attended the conference received state development credits for their participation. The Massachusetts Department of Education provides funding to GLSEN through its "Safe Schools Program."

Scott Whiteman, with the Massachusetts-based Parents Rights Coalition, attended several of these workshops and secretly recorded them. GLSEN has since threatened him with legal action for doing so, claiming that all participants at the "Teach Out" had to agree to a policy of confidentiality.

According to Brian Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition, the idea of any confidentiality requirement is a fabrication.

"There was nothing told either verbally or in print in any of the literature surrounding the event about not tape recording it. There was absolutely nothing about this -- and believe me, we've been through absolutely everything," Camenker stated.

To document the event, Whitehead and Camenker wrote a detailed and explicit article, "Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex," in The Massachusetts News.

The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network claims the conference was only for "registered" participants. Camenker says it was a public event, open to anyone who wanted to attend. Whiteman registered under his own name and paid his fee.

Whiteman says he was shocked to learn what state employees were teaching children. Two of the instructors, Margot Abels and Julie Netherland, are listed as HIV counselors, while Michael Gaucher is listed as an HIV consultant. These instructors travel to schools throughout Massachusetts conducting HIV workshops for teens.

According to Whiteman, in one "Teach Out" workshop entitled, "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14-21," the three instructors encouraged teens to openly discuss various homosexual sex acts in the most explicit manner.

Abels and Gaucher, according to Whiteman, both discussed the practice of "fisting" -- putting one's hand inside the anus or vagina of a sexual partner. Gaucher taught the children how to make a fist. He also discussed the pros and cons of ingesting male body fluid during oral sex.

Abels told the teens that "fisting" often gets a bad rap. She said that it was "an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with."

According to Whiteman, the entire session ran 55 minutes before there was any mention of condoms or "safer sex." When condoms were discussed, the teachers pointed out that teens could make an "informed decision" not to use condoms.

Outside in the hallways, various organizations had set up tables to distribute male and female condoms and other sexual paraphernalia. The Sidney Borum Community Health Center, for example, was handing out "Pocket Sex" kits, which included two condoms, two antiseptic moist towelettes and six bandages. According to the teen who was handing out the sex kits, the bandages were for "when the sex got really rough."

In the workshop for teachers, Margot Abels reportedly told the audience that "sex is central to every single one of us,

Dragoness's photo
Mon 05/04/09 07:55 PM

A lot of you naive people seem to think this bill is going to protect poor little innocent gays like Mathew Shepherd. :cry:

Not so.

It is going to protect the RADICAL groups like NAMBLA who clearly state what their goals are.pitchfork

This agenda has been ongoing for a long time.

Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

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Pedophiles And Homosexual Activists Push For Total Sexual Liberation

In August, 2003, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a lawsuit against the state of Kansas over the state's criminal sodomy law involving children. The ACLU is defending Matthew Limon, a homosexual who committed sodomy against a 14-year-old boy in 2000. At the time of his crime, Simon was 18 years old. The ACLU is claiming that Limon's conviction is unconstitutionally discriminatory because the penalties for sodomy with a minor are different than for heterosexual sex with a minor.

Kansas Attorney General Phill KIine says the fairness of Limon's sentence should be a state legislative issue, not a constitutional one. According to Kline, "If the ACLU wins in the thrust of their arguments, it means the state has no right to say that it is illegal for an adult to have sex with a 13-year-old child." Kline also fears that an ACLU victory will make it difficult for the state to enforce laws against polygamy, incest, bestiality, and other sexual perversions.

The effort to abolish "age of consent" laws has been a long-time goal of homosexual activists. The 1972 Gay Rights Platform, for example, called for the abolition of all laws prohibiting sex with children. The platform demands: "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

In September, 1995, three homosexual activists published an essay entitled, "The State Of Gay Liberation" in Guide, a homosexual publication. The essay was authored by North American Man Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) co-founder David Thorstad, University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Professor Richard D. Mohr, and San Francisco journalist Bruce Mirken.

Thorstad, of course, is a life-long pederast and homosexual activist who clearly describes the important linkage between homosexuality and pedophilia. In a speech given before a homosexual group in Mexico in 1998, Thorstad said: "Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization-and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture-ancient Greece and the Renaissance." (David Thorstad, "Pederasty And Homosexuality," NAMBLA web site)

Fellow author Professor Richard Mohr, is a homosexual activist who is an advocate for same-sex marriage and has said he hopes that homosexual marriage will help define "monogamy" out of marriage altogether. (Stanley Kurtz, "Beyond Gay Marriage," The Weekly Standard, Aug. 4-11, 2003)

Bruce Mirken is a homosexual and San Francisco journalist who was arrested in 1998 for attempting to have sex with a 13-year-old boy he had contacted through the Internet. When he entered a Sacramento park to sodomize the boy, he was met by police who had been tracking his activities on the Internet. The charges were eventually dropped against him on a technicality.


Sexual Liberation For Children
Thorstad and Professor Mohr want sexual liberation for children and Mirken believes that AIDS activism is what will help perpetuate and strengthen the homosexual movement.

According to David Thorstad, in "The State Of Gay Liberation," homosexuals must get back to a "radical vision of sexual freedom for all. We need to reaffirm our place in the great variety of same-sex behaviors that exist-have always existed-in human societies. We dare not allow our homosexual gift to be alienated from us by the limited vision, stifling political correctness, and erotophobic provincialism." In short, homosexuals should openly support the promotion of adult/child sex!

Professor Mohr argues that the use of "gay youth" is a key to gaining political and cultural victories in the U.S. He writes: "...these brave youth are key to culture's change on gay issues. Thanks to them, increasingly people know someone for whom being gay is an issue. Thanks to them the gay movement is achieving critical mass." Bruce Mirken claims that radical AIDS activism is what will save the homosexual movement from decline.

The effort to push adult/child sex isn't limited to these three homosexual activists. It is part of the overall homosexual movement. As author Mary Eberstadt wrote in "Pedophilia Chic: Reconsidered" in The Weekly Standard, (Jan. 1, 2001): "The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this 'question,' settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement."

Eberstadt notes that as the homosexual movement becomes more mainstream, this "question" about adult/child sex will become more prominent. Homosexuals who desire sex with children will do exactly what the ACLU is doing in Kansas:

DESTROY ALL LAWS BANNING SEX BETWEEN ADULTS AND CHILDREN
flowerforyou





I read it twice and although the pederast does show support for gay marriage which is neither here nor there when it comes to adult/child sex, there is nothing in this article showing how the hate crimes law will benefit the pedifyles.slaphead

Dragoness's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:00 PM

Funny how the gay literature has been in the public fools system for some time now, preparing the kids for this new golden age of molestation.

Here is a perfect example of how they said they would use AIDS awareness to normalize bizarre gay sex.

Pump your fists in the air in celebration all you perverts.laugh
Er, or uh pump your fist in a boys rump?

---------------------------------------------------------

BRAVE NEW SCHOOLS
Public employees teach kids 'gay' sex
Workshops reportedly instruct youths in how to perform homosexual acts

By Frank York
© 2000 WorldNetDaily.com | May 9th, 2000

Three HIV instructors in Massachusetts are at the center of a growing controversy after reportedly conducting sexually explicit workshops for teenagers and holding sessions to train teachers in the art of injecting positive homosexual themes into public school materials -- down to the elementary school level.

Two state employees in the HIV division of the Department of Education and an HIV consultant with the Department of Public Health led a March 25 "Teach Out" held at Tufts University. The event was sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, or GLSEN.

Teachers who attended the conference received state development credits for their participation. The Massachusetts Department of Education provides funding to GLSEN through its "Safe Schools Program."

Scott Whiteman, with the Massachusetts-based Parents Rights Coalition, attended several of these workshops and secretly recorded them. GLSEN has since threatened him with legal action for doing so, claiming that all participants at the "Teach Out" had to agree to a policy of confidentiality.

According to Brian Camenker, president of the Parents Rights Coalition, the idea of any confidentiality requirement is a fabrication.

"There was nothing told either verbally or in print in any of the literature surrounding the event about not tape recording it. There was absolutely nothing about this -- and believe me, we've been through absolutely everything," Camenker stated.

To document the event, Whitehead and Camenker wrote a detailed and explicit article, "Kids Get Graphic Instruction In Homosexual Sex," in The Massachusetts News.

The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network claims the conference was only for "registered" participants. Camenker says it was a public event, open to anyone who wanted to attend. Whiteman registered under his own name and paid his fee.

Whiteman says he was shocked to learn what state employees were teaching children. Two of the instructors, Margot Abels and Julie Netherland, are listed as HIV counselors, while Michael Gaucher is listed as an HIV consultant. These instructors travel to schools throughout Massachusetts conducting HIV workshops for teens.

According to Whiteman, in one "Teach Out" workshop entitled, "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex & Sexuality in Health Class: A Workshop For Youth Only, Ages 14-21," the three instructors encouraged teens to openly discuss various homosexual sex acts in the most explicit manner.

Abels and Gaucher, according to Whiteman, both discussed the practice of "fisting" -- putting one's hand inside the anus or vagina of a sexual partner. Gaucher taught the children how to make a fist. He also discussed the pros and cons of ingesting male body fluid during oral sex.

Abels told the teens that "fisting" often gets a bad rap. She said that it was "an experience of letting somebody into your body that you want to be that close and intimate with."

According to Whiteman, the entire session ran 55 minutes before there was any mention of condoms or "safer sex." When condoms were discussed, the teachers pointed out that teens could make an "informed decision" not to use condoms.

Outside in the hallways, various organizations had set up tables to distribute male and female condoms and other sexual paraphernalia. The Sidney Borum Community Health Center, for example, was handing out "Pocket Sex" kits, which included two condoms, two antiseptic moist towelettes and six bandages. According to the teen who was handing out the sex kits, the bandages were for "when the sex got really rough."

In the workshop for teachers, Margot Abels reportedly told the audience that "sex is central to every single one of us,



Wow, I think this, if reported accurately, is a bit much. Homosexual sexual education should be included in the sex ed at school as there are homosexuals in the schools but I think this one is a bit much.]

We did not discuss sexual acts explicitly when I had sex ed. Just a basic explaination of the different types of sex and how women get pregnant and how we catch diseases.

norslyman's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:04 PM
Careful now. Don't judge people. That may be considered hate. grumble

metalwing's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:04 PM
I am creeped out.

Thomas3474's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:05 PM
I think the ACLU is a origination run by Satan himself!The people who run the ACLU are lower than the maggots eating a rotting carcass on the side of the road.

Dragoness's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:10 PM
ACLU fits for the underdogs. I cannot fault them. I may not understand the underdogs fight all the time.

I do not understand the need for the explicitness though with the sex ed.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:14 PM

ACLU fits for the underdogs. I cannot fault them. I may not understand the underdogs fight all the time.

I do not understand the need for the explicitness though with the sex ed.
flowerforyou amenflowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:15 PM
laugh Anybody ever study ancient Greek culture?:tongue:

ThomasJB's photo
Mon 05/04/09 08:52 PM

laugh Anybody ever study ancient Greek culture?:tongue:


As I understand it sex between men and boys was fairly common in ancient Greek society.

Age of consent seems to be a rather fluid thing, that changes frequently form country to country and over time. In early America and England age of consent was around 10. As recent as around 100 years ago it was not too uncommon for girls to marry around the age of 13. In Saudi Arabia there is no age of consent, but sex outside of marriage is punishable by stoning. In Spain the age of consent is 12 with the parents permission, otherwise 14. Some primitive cultures believe sex with children is healthy and is used as form of sex education. I'm not claiming we should change our age of consent, but it is always important to have all the information.

As far as this bill goes, though, I have seen nothing in it that would change any current laws, or make it easier for child predators to operate or get away with their actions. Such claims are just right wing rhetoric.

MirrorMirror's photo
Mon 05/04/09 09:12 PM
Edited by MirrorMirror on Mon 05/04/09 09:14 PM
:thumbsup: I thought so too:thumbsup:

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Tue 05/05/09 07:55 AM
Interesting what the Right Winger folks leave out:
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In addition to misrepresenting the ACLU’s position, Focus on the Family neglects to mention that Limon is also developmentally disabled; neglects to mention that the sexual activity was voluntary and close of age; neglects to mention the state’s “Romeo and Juliet” law; and neglected to link to the actual court ruling to allow readers to assess the case for themselves.

On Jan. 22, The Pitch, a Kansas City weekly, published an article detailing Limon’s life and family, his prior offenses (committed when he was 14), and the murky history of the Kansas’ “Romeo and Juliet” law. Now 22, Limon has the mental capacity of a 10-year-old — and the story documents his inability to defend himself in court or to understand the complexities of his case.”>detailing Limon’s life and family, his prior offenses (committed when he was 14), and the murky history of the Kansas’ “Romeo and Juliet” law. Now 22, Limon has the mental capacity of a 10-year-old — and the story documents his inability to defend himself in court or to understand the complexities of his case.

Lynann's photo
Tue 05/05/09 08:22 AM
Sadly the ACLU also defends people like you Thomas3474.

That article as Boo points out leaves out things and slants other things making this appear something it is not.

But...not like Focus on the Family has ever done anything like that before.

Think I will go throw up now.

Winx's photo
Tue 05/05/09 08:32 AM
I'm seeing the dates of 1995 and 2003. What is going on with it in 2009?

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Tue 05/05/09 08:42 AM

Interesting what the Right Winger folks leave out:
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In addition to misrepresenting the ACLU’s position, Focus on the Family neglects to mention that Limon is also developmentally disabled; neglects to mention that the sexual activity was voluntary and close of age; neglects to mention the state’s “Romeo and Juliet” law; and neglected to link to the actual court ruling to allow readers to assess the case for themselves.

On Jan. 22, The Pitch, a Kansas City weekly, published an article detailing Limon’s life and family, his prior offenses (committed when he was 14), and the murky history of the Kansas’ “Romeo and Juliet” law. Now 22, Limon has the mental capacity of a 10-year-old — and the story documents his inability to defend himself in court or to understand the complexities of his case.”>detailing Limon’s life and family, his prior offenses (committed when he was 14), and the murky history of the Kansas’ “Romeo and Juliet” law. Now 22, Limon has the mental capacity of a 10-year-old — and the story documents his inability to defend himself in court or to understand the complexities of his case.


thats why you can't believe anything you hear from these political organizations. They manipulate the news to give a distorted representation just to freak people out and get them all outraged over nothing

and isn't all this stuff like five to ten years old? and we're just now freaking out over it?


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Tue 05/05/09 08:44 AM

I'm seeing the dates of 1995 and 2003. What is going on with it in 2009?


Some folks are busy twisting it into a righteous fight against gay marriage? Who the heck knows. When I see stuff like this is makes me nuts, it's no wonder the fight for marriage rights is so difficult. You have to fight so much BS along the way.