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Topic: Question about years
franshade's photo
Wed 05/06/09 06:44 AM
I have read and studied and believe they existed, but for some reason this person does not - live and let live I say, but I like to learn and know the whys. Why do they refute the info?

Guess once a persons mind is made up, only they can change it if they choose.

I can supply info, the same as I request when I'm unsure, but can't make a person see what I see, and don't think I would.

Winx's photo
Wed 05/06/09 06:50 AM

I have read and studied and believe they existed, but for some reason this person does not - live and let live I say, but I like to learn and know the whys. Why do they refute the info?

Guess once a persons mind is made up, only they can change it if they choose.

I can supply info, the same as I request when I'm unsure, but can't make a person see what I see, and don't think I would.


:smile: flowerforyou

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/06/09 06:53 AM


Thanks all, I am looking guess for a way to make sense out of all this, as far as my conversation went one refuses to accept that dinosaurs once ruled the world and refutes evolution - another person, truly believes in the bible and only what is said/reflected in the bible, another person believes in otherwise, so as I find this all interesting - might as well learn something new from it.

This topic has now been going on for the last couple of days and must admit it gets mighty heated at times as people have a tendency to try and convince others they are right, but a learning experience nonetheless.


But...there is proof that dinosaurs existed.


Hay ... I resemble that remark.!

Winx's photo
Wed 05/06/09 06:56 AM



Thanks all, I am looking guess for a way to make sense out of all this, as far as my conversation went one refuses to accept that dinosaurs once ruled the world and refutes evolution - another person, truly believes in the bible and only what is said/reflected in the bible, another person believes in otherwise, so as I find this all interesting - might as well learn something new from it.

This topic has now been going on for the last couple of days and must admit it gets mighty heated at times as people have a tendency to try and convince others they are right, but a learning experience nonetheless.


But...there is proof that dinosaurs existed.


Hay ... I resemble that remark.!

:tongue: laugh

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/06/09 07:14 AM

The Hebrew myths and legends, of course, were compiled at different times but the earliest were between 950 and 800 B.C.E. There is a difference between the Hebrew account of how they came to settle south of Phoenicia and what Egyptian sources suggest. Either way they fount themselves migrating into the Nile Delta and according to the Bible the Egyptians enslaved them. The rest of the story comes from the Bible, including Moses and the Exodus. There have never been any other supporting evidence of these happenings found, so the Bible is often referred to in ‘historical’ aspects. Eventually the Hebrews settled in Palestine in the 13th century B.C.E.
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The Hebrews actually "borrowed" some of their history from others such as the Babylonians and it dates back farther. Some of the historical events, such as the great flood, may have been caused by real events that appeared to the observers to affect the whole world. When one "borrows" history it tends to result in historical inconsistencies of the type observed.

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As for the New Testament, since it’s all about Jesus, consider that history places his life (ca 5 B.C.E.-29 C.E.). It’s commonly held that the first writings developed in the 70 years after Jesus death. We know this because Clement of Rome referred to them about that time. Originally, not all the books were accepted for inclusion into the ‘New Testament’. There were a series of synods, (meetings of the church hierarchy) between 393 & 397 (C.E. or AD) when all 27 stories or books were agreed on for inclusion. However, the division of these into chapter and verse did not come along until the mid 1500’s. Between 100 C.E. and 1500, Christianity was a lump of clay, being molded by statesmen, emperors, and clergy seeking power.

As trade between civilizations grew, missionaries tagged along. If they came from an empire or state in which the ruling power accepted Christianity (as a means to merge the various beliefs of the empire, to facilitate an easier rule) the missionaries were accepted by other rulers as emissaries and several along the way utilized the more coherent religious doctrine of Christianity, either because it supported kingship or to facilitate with the merging of many belief systems of societies for an easier rule. As conquest continued and every larger realms were created, the religions all merged and the hierarchy of the Christian church became enmeshed in the political structures.

One of the reasons for the establishment of ‘universities’ or places of higher education was, specifically to teach the unconverted in a Christian atmosphere. Another reason was to educate only Christians to better fill the political positions within governments. So governments used the Christian religion to create a more cohesive population, supportive of their rulers and the church used governments to gain power and wealth.

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Other factors played a part too. The Church at that time was the only organization "organized" and wealthy enough to do the job. The clergy tended to the best educated around because there was no other source of education. Church and politics were intertwined much as they are today but to a higher degree and without much competition. Ego played a part as the "universe" of higher learning only consisted of one choice.

Gee, I wonder where we would be without the "dark ages".

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And this is how it all began.



Good Post!

franshade's photo
Wed 05/06/09 09:06 AM



Thanks all, I am looking guess for a way to make sense out of all this, as far as my conversation went one refuses to accept that dinosaurs once ruled the world and refutes evolution - another person, truly believes in the bible and only what is said/reflected in the bible, another person believes in otherwise, so as I find this all interesting - might as well learn something new from it.

This topic has now been going on for the last couple of days and must admit it gets mighty heated at times as people have a tendency to try and convince others they are right, but a learning experience nonetheless.


But...there is proof that dinosaurs existed.


Hay ... I resemble that remark.!


drinks here's to the dinosaurs smitten

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