Topic: Something to think about...
AndyBgood's photo
Fri 05/01/09 12:32 PM
The truth behind Maersk Alabama?
Dated: 4/18/2009 11:09:29 AM

A whole different look at the events as they unfolded.
Posted on Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:09:51 PM
Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander)recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they
couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the Op Area and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage.
4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behavior. As usual with him, it's BS.
So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performance to D-.
Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate news account.
Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters on board the destroyer a clear
shot at his captors — and none was taken.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States, Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed.
This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel
thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a
“peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the on scene commander decided he’d had enough.
Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and
Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spin side to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in
the Indian Ocean and

[1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it
took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the
location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship.


Just a little something I just got my hands on. Kinda thought provoking eh?

Barrak Hussein Obama = Jimmy Peanuts Carter

He is out to suck even more than the worst president we had so far.

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 02:14 PM
Something you just got your hands on? It's all over the internet, was just reading it on freepublic, where they are having a feild day with it or course. I'm no likely to take this seriously where the source is an unnamed passing reference.

Lynann's photo
Fri 05/01/09 02:25 PM
Freepers are without a doubt the largest bunch of narrow thinking, fear mongering, idiots assembled in one place on the net.

That bunch there make the posters here look like intellectual giants.


Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/01/09 02:31 PM
I think it is garbage print. Something to line the birdcage with.

If you hate Obama already you will be willing to believe almost anything bad about him with no question to the veracity of the information.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 05/01/09 03:16 PM
Let me put this in perspective, Peace for the sake of peace is Suicide! Peace from behind the bigger and more accurate gun is not. To offer an olive branch of peace empty handed is stupidity incarnate. To offer an olive branch in one hand wielding a gun in the other just in case? SMART!

Appeasing your foes? Didn't prevent WWI or WWII nor did it prevent the Cold War. Does Appeasement work? NOT!!! GET OVER YOURSELVES IF YOU THINK IT DOES!

Play patty cake and negotiate with Pirates? I hope you are kidding me...

There is only one thing Pirates understand, superior fire power and the resolve to shoot back at them with it.

Peaceful resolutions to the Taliban and Piracy from Somalia??? if you think it is possible well...

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Yes I am laughing at those who believe in peace only. There is a word for those who refuse to defend themselves...

VICTIMS AND SLAVES.

Okay, I lied, two words...


oops

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/01/09 04:06 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Fri 05/01/09 04:07 PM

Let me put this in perspective, Peace for the sake of peace is Suicide! Peace from behind the bigger and more accurate gun is not. To offer an olive branch of peace empty handed is stupidity incarnate. To offer an olive branch in one hand wielding a gun in the other just in case? SMART!

Appeasing your foes? Didn't prevent WWI or WWII nor did it prevent the Cold War. Does Appeasement work? NOT!!! GET OVER YOURSELVES IF YOU THINK IT DOES!

Play patty cake and negotiate with Pirates? I hope you are kidding me...

There is only one thing Pirates understand, superior fire power and the resolve to shoot back at them with it.

Peaceful resolutions to the Taliban and Piracy from Somalia??? if you think it is possible well...

laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

Yes I am laughing at those who believe in peace only. There is a word for those who refuse to defend themselves...

VICTIMS AND SLAVES.

Okay, I lied, two words...


oops


Your opinion of course.

It isn't about who is the bully, it is about who is the most diplomatic.

We should not be bullies in this world. Sure there are those who will not sit down quietly but that doesn't mean we are to determine them un negotiable.

As for the pirate thing. I am sure that they were doing the best they could within perimeters given. Obama did not declare "military action" against a country that had nothing to with it and kill hundreds of thousands if not more innocents so he did better than what we had.

yellowrose10's photo
Fri 05/01/09 04:35 PM
interesting as always andyflowerforyou

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 04:52 PM
I was a Marine radio operator in Nam. I had occasion to know a few SEALS through joint operations, and believe me when I tell you, these guys are not there to debate an issue, they are there to resolve it!

I guarantee the only thing that posponed an immediate end to something as simple a 3 pirates, was orders. They engaged in an act of terrorism, for profit, plain and simple!

In my humble opinion, their (the hijackers) armed presence and the fact there was a hostage involved, hesitation was as foolhardy, life risking and stupid act, and stupid as stupid gets!

Obama or his admin had the power to end it, and dropped the ball, later taking the glory. Not a very good sign of leadership!

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Fri 05/01/09 05:33 PM

Freepers are without a doubt the largest bunch of narrow thinking, fear mongering, idiots assembled in one place on the net.

That bunch there make the posters here look like intellectual giants.


Boy do I know, been given a couple of things to look at over there in the past couple of days and man. Couldn't believe some of the things that came out of people's mouths over there.

InvictusV's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:53 PM
"That bunch there make the posters here look like intellectual giants."

That's a good one...

Dragoness's photo
Fri 05/01/09 05:59 PM

I was a Marine radio operator in Nam. I had occasion to know a few SEALS through joint operations, and believe me when I tell you, these guys are not there to debate an issue, they are there to resolve it!

I guarantee the only thing that posponed an immediate end to something as simple a 3 pirates, was orders. They engaged in an act of terrorism, for profit, plain and simple!

In my humble opinion, their (the hijackers) armed presence and the fact there was a hostage involved, hesitation was as foolhardy, life risking and stupid act, and stupid as stupid gets!

Obama or his admin had the power to end it, and dropped the ball, later taking the glory. Not a very good sign of leadership!


So how did the ball get dropped? And how did Obama taking credit for our soldiers being there not apply?

no photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:02 PM
Well I am not likely to accept a particular version because others do.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Fri 05/01/09 06:37 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Fri 05/01/09 06:52 PM


I was a Marine radio operator in Nam. I had occasion to know a few SEALS through joint operations, and believe me when I tell you, these guys are not there to debate an issue, they are there to resolve it!

I guarantee the only thing that posponed an immediate end to something as simple a 3 pirates, was orders. They engaged in an act of terrorism, for profit, plain and simple!

In my humble opinion, their (the hijackers) armed presence and the fact there was a hostage involved, hesitation was as foolhardy, life risking and stupid act, and stupid as stupid gets!

Obama or his admin had the power to end it, and dropped the ball, later taking the glory. Not a very good sign of leadership!


So how did the ball get dropped? And how did Obama taking credit for our soldiers being there not apply?


It was a US ship that was hijacked, it's a no-brainer we HAD to be there. The ball got dropped thru indisicive action on the part of the White House to end it "immediately" once the Seals were in place, not drag it out for 4 days. That's like knowing 9/11 was going to happen, but not clearing the buildings or warning passengers until it did. We know the results of those actions!

It was a play to the media, pure and simple! To boost ratings? Take our attentions off something else?

Seals do one thing and one thing only, they resolve problems, period! They would not have been sent if they were'nt going to be used. Why did they drag it out? Did they hope they would kill the captain so we could use it as an excuse for agression? You have to question the reasons behind a delay to act on a blatant, armed attack, before it can escalate. That's just good sense!

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Fri 05/01/09 11:39 PM
Folks, we're talking about a professional "community organizer" here. Dropped the ball? He never even saw it in the air.