There are many things that happen in this world that are totally out of our control. We do not control others, or the world. We only control our thoughts, attitudes and decisions.

These thoughts, attitudes and decision determine the paths we choose to walk down and the paths we choose to walk down determine our experiences.

Wrong attitudes, wrong thinking, wrong decisions can take you down a path of destruction and other not so desirable experiences.

Everything has cause.

Well with all due respect I don't hold much interset on your interpretation of the Law of Attraction. I've read and heard other people speak about the Law of Attraction and they don't hold your fundamentalist views of it.

So, in short, I don't view you as "The Authority" on the Law of Attraction. In fact, as far as I can see you have a truly warped understanding of it.



It has nothing to do with blame.

However, based on what you are attempting to claim you could never blame anyone for anything. If someone punches you in the face you'd have to apologize to them for having made them do it.

I don't see where you even make rational sense at all to be perfectly honest about it.

In order not to be able to blame other people for THEIR actions you'd have to deny THEIR Free Will.

Your philosophy of complete responsibility can only be true in solipsism.

You just can't comprehend that fact. That's all.

You can't claim that other people have free will and simultaneously claim that you are responsible for THEIR actions that affect YOUR life!

You're just a solipsist and don't even realize it. That's all there is to it.

That's not true. The paths we chose do not solely determine our experiences.

And you just gave the reason:



Because of what you've stated here our choice of paths does not determine our experiences, but rather the people and events that we meet on those paths do.

One could argue that all paths contain unknowns. Therefore the choice of path is no guarantee of anything.

Some paths are riddled with more danger than others. I don't think anyone would argue with that, but this still doesn't support anything as radical as the conclusion that we are responsible for everything that happens to us.

You take vague generalities and try to turn them into radical absolutes that are totally unrealistic.

In fact, the above is a perfect example of radical extremism based on a few vague concepts.

First off, just because a person recognizes that the universe works this way does not automatically make them a 'victim'.

Just because I recognize that some people can become victims doesn't mean that I feel as though I have personally been a victim.

On the contrary I feel very fortunate in that throughout my life I have been the victim of very few and very mild 'atrocities'.

In fact, one of the atrocities that I have been a victim of was Christianity which I had been born into. But I freed myself from that atrocity.

It most certainly was not my CHOICE to be born into either a Christian family, nor a Christian society.

I was a 'victim' of circumstances.

None the less I took responsiblity to free myself from that victimizing situation.

I think we can often free ourselves from victimizing situations. But to deny that this is precisely what they are would be ludicous.

Similarly, if a woman marries a man who is acting very pleasant and loving, and then six months down the road he becomes an abusive animal. Then that woman at that point in time has become a victim of a situation.

That doesn't mean that she shouldn't take responsiblity to free herself from it at that point.

But the point is that she was not the cause of the situation. She is a victim of the situation.

Just becasue a person recognizes that they are a victim doesn't make them helpless.

People who are helpless are the one's who have become victim to a situation and then just whine about it and never do anything to escape it. Or perhaps they were the cause.

But my point is that eveyone is not the cause of their situations. Many people are indeed victims.

This doesn't make them helpless!

It simply means that they were not the cause of their situation.

And that's all it means. To claim that all victims are helpless is ludicious and shows a total insensitivity to their situation.

Just because a person becomes a victim doesn't necessarily mean that they need to become a powerless victim.

Recognizing that you've been victimized does not equate to being powerless.

Rather than worrying about who was responsible for creating the situation, the only important thing is to be concerned with who will take responsiblity for changing the situation.

So whether you got into the situation because of your own choice, or whether you are a victim of the situation is totally moot.

The only thing that is important is what a person does to resolve the stituation.

The idea that all victims are powerless is simply untrue.

Whether or not we were a victim has nothing to do with what power we have to react and take steps to change a situation.

I think you're just focused on losers who sit around and whine that there is nothing they can do about their situation. They are more than just victims, they are willing victims!

That's a whole different animal.

I did not make the statement that all victims are powerless nor did I claim that all victims are helpless.

In fact, you are the one who makes that claim by suggesting that they bare no responsibility for their experience which was beyond their control.

For something to be beyond a person's control, means that they are powerless to prevent or do anything about it and that they are not responsible for it in some way.

Please stop putting words out there and claiming that they are my statements.

We as thinking centers (souls) incarnate into this reality for experience of all kinds.

We don't expect to come here and live perfect, joyful fulfilling lives, we only know that the possibilities are limitless for adventure and experience of all kinds in this world.

We can experience it all, we can be rapists, or rape victims, murderers or the murder victims, male or female, even animal, vegetable or mineral. We can be hero's and heroins, house wives or warriors. We can live in a technological society or live naked in the jungle, we can live in peace or war.

This earth is fantasy island. Here we live many lives simultaneous as soul and we learn and experience the good, bad, ugly and evil. Upon signing on for the journey, we do not know what all it will entail but we agreed to it.

It is like a young man or woman who signs up for the service. He has no clue what he or she will be asked to do, to save a country or bomb a city of millions. And yet they agreed to do it before they came.

In all of this, Abra, you have your will to direct your life by what you think the decisions you make. You have agreed to be here whether you remember that agreement or not. You were not forced to be here. You agreed.

Just because you do not know all of the details of how things work, does not mean that you can write the rules and say one minute that we create our reality and then say EXCEPT IN THESE CIRCUMSTANCES.

Either we take the wheel of our ship and direct and create our reality and are co-creators in it or we don't and we choose to think of ourselves as helpless and powerless victims of circumstance just sitting around waiting for something good or bad happen to us.

So many people ask me as I read the Tarot cards to tell them what their future has in store for them or what will happen to them in the future.

I tell them that they are at the drivers seat and their ship is sailing... they need to take the wheel or they will simply drift where the wind or current takes them.

If you don't know where you want to go, you will not be able to take one step in the right direction.



To call this "radical extremism" is just name calling and you have nothing to back it up with.

If there is something in your personal life that you do not want to take the responsibility for, just admit it to yourself and move on. But to twist your thinking so you can believe that there are exceptions to the rules of cause and effect is just for your own peace of mind.

Learn from your experiences, good and bad, and be thankful for them. I would advise those who think of themselves as victims to do this and move on with their lives. Even if you don't understand the total workings of the law of cause and effect, you will still learn from your experiences. Yes, it is no about blame. It is about responsibility. So stop blaming circumstance, other people, bad luck, randomness, etc. and just learn.

Well, if you don't believe that this is what you implied I'll just accept the fact that you are a very poor communicator. Because you clearly stated:



Those were the words you posted.

If that's not what you meant to say then all I can say is that you should take a course in verbal communication. Or set up an appointment to be checked for Alzheimer's disease.

Sorry that I took what you said literally. Next time owl know that you speak in tongue and that the words you use have nothing at all to do with what you actually mean.

I see now why you have such a great fear of actuality. You need to depend on the smoke and mirrors of Quantum Mechanics just to get by in life.

That's not true. I was suppose to be incarnated into a different universe and I was incarnated into this one by mistake.

I'm a victim of poor universe management!

I'm not worried about it though.

Owl get a rebate when I get out and owl probably get added compensation for the mistake too.

In the meantime I have to put up with all you looney toons.

This was like walking into a pornographic gambling casino and bar when I had actually applied to vacation at the faery garden of love.

It was a mistake by the Universe Travel Agency. They gave me the wrong tickets.

Owl get it squared away on the next incarnation.

You need to read the statement more carefully. What I said holds true.

The "mindset of a victim" is an attitude or belief that you have no power or control of your life circumstances.

It is a false belief. But people are what they think they are. They become what they believe. If you believe you are helpless and have no control of your life, then that is what you create.

Your thoughts and attitudes create your reality. If a victim believes they are helpless then that is what they are.

You can not change your life if you do not change your thinking.

Now you are trying to be funny or else you are deluding yourself. You want to be a victim? Go ahead.

I am not playing the roll of savior. (Knight of Swords) so you are on your own in your victimhood.

I know you don't want my advice but I will give it anyway. Don't wait for the next incarnation. The power of NOW is your greatest power. Don't procrastinate.

Don't disrespect this life and sluff it off in hopes for a better one the next time around. It might not be a better one.

Besides, you might not get another chance. And I doubt if your problem will be solved by just dieing. You can only progress on the spiritual path when you are incarnate.

So I've heard anyway.

With all due respect, you haven't even read the book "The Law of Attraction." You are the one who has a warped understanding of it.

Fine.

But that's a TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING than claiming that there are no victims.

You say:


Deluding myself?

Just as you've stated above. I can recognize that I am a victim of this universe without having the mindset of a victim.

Recognizing that you are not responsible for a situation, and sitting around whining about it are two ENTIRELY DIFFERENT thigns.

I've accepted that I'm stuck here until I die.

I make the most of it.

That doesn't mean that I'm not a victim of circumstances.

We are all victims of circumstances.

So now you need to be more careful, instead of claiming that there are no victims, you should just say what you mean, "Having the mentality of being a helpless victim isn't going to help".

I think almost EVERYONE would agree with that.

That's a FAR CRY from claiming that there are no victims!

So there.

I WIN!

NEXT!

Whatever you say dear.

I always take responsibility for what happens to me. If someone punches me in the face, I'm sure they felt they had a good reason.

I would never take the credit or responsibility for having 'made them do it' as I do not control what other people do, nor would I ever attempt to control what other people do.

Depending on the circumstances of how the event transpired, I would examine what my role in it was and learn from that.

But this is a good example of how your view of the Law of Attraction is warped.

Actuality is a necessary term for our understanding(s) at this time.
It allows for pure random chance to co-exist with cause and effect in a meaningful and sensical way which can be clearly expressed in our language without leaving out QM or logic.

Excuse me? When did I say there are no victims?

There are! But they are victims because they have assumed the roll of victim. They are victims because they think they are victims.

You are what you think you are.

You can be a victim if you want and you do that by thinking of yourself as a victim and accepting that roll.

As you have done.

Is there any real evidence that "pure random chance" even exists?

Law of Attraction is incomplete non-sense.



Among the issues James has already mentioned, it mistakenly places cause, it also fails to account for pure random chance, which does exist simultaneuosly with cause and effect.

Quite clearly on both large and small scales, I might add.

It can be proven, if one has the ability to understand that two completely separate sets of events can interact with each other without reason, purpose, nor intent.