Abracadabra,

Sin is the burden. When you are humbled enough to admit you can't carry
it, Jesus will carry it for you.

"I can’t imagine having any higher moral values than I already have. "

John 9:41
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Jesus said to them, "If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since
you say, 'We see,' your sin remains.
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I feel no burden of sin.

None at all.

spider.. what are you talking about...again

maybe he isn't christian... what does admitting you have sin have to do
with morals?? morals have nothing to do with the... subject of sin..
especially if you don't believe in the concept it holds with in an
organized religion.

Spider's posts make perfect sense.

Abra, I think you are the voice of your own God.

He said "Surely you’re not suggesting that God should be some kind of a
burden? " and I explained what the burden was. No judging. No
attacking. I was just answering his question.

This is in fact, one of the issues I have with Christianity. The dogma
is designed to be a ball and chain of guilt.

I refuse to wear it.

God is NOT a ball and chain of guilt.

How disgusting is it for a religion to have to stoop so low that if it
can’t win people’s hearts with the love of god it must resort to trying
to entrap them with a guilt complex.

That’s thoroughly despicable.

I have no feelings of guilt. You’re barking up the wrong tree here.

Why is it that so many religions or the interpretations of their
teachings want to make you feel guilty. We're all born guilty of sin?
That's no way to live. I wonder how people even get out of bed somedays
with that heavy burden on their shoulders.
The idea of someone or something to relieve you or obsolve you of all
that guilt or sin that you were born with or have committed is a strange
concept to me. If you've done something wrong then you should feel
guilty about it. If you don't, you may be a sociopath.
Learn from your mistakes. Forgive yourself. If there's something there
to forgive you of your sins all the time then why would you feel any
need to strive to be a better person. Or learn from your mistakes. Try
asking the person you've wronged for forgiveness before some deity. You
might feel a little more human.
We have a conscience for a reason and are ultimatly responsible for our
own actions. Learn to deal with it.

Yahweh does dot tempt you. Job showed that. Satan tempts you Yahweh
allows it for your growth. Just as a child you set them loose to learn
lessons on thier own. Experience is hard to beat. Yahweh only once said
to prove him.

Mal 3:8-12
Will a man rob Elohim?
Yet you have robbed Me !
But you say,
'In what way have we robbed You?'
In tithes and offerings.
9 You are cursed with a curse,
For you have robbed Me ,
Even this whole nation.
10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse,
That there may be food in My house,
And try Me now in this,"
Says Yahweh of Hosts,
"If I will not open for you the windows of heaven
And pour out for you such blessing
That there will not be room enough to receive it.

11 "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes,
So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground,
Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field,"
Says Yahweh of Hosts;
12 And all nations will call you blessed,
For you will be a delightful land,"
Says Yahweh of Hosts.
NKJV

he rebukes evil from you when you follow him with all your being. Just
as when a child obeys you you reward him gladly as he does what you say
on faith. A child jumps off a 6 foot high deck having without doubt that
his father will catch him. Faith is love and forgiveness. When will we
learn our lesson? Miles

Kidaheart wrote:
"Try asking the person you've wronged for forgiveness before some deity"

BINGO!!!

If according to you Jesus has died on the cross for our sins, where is
the burden? They are already forgiven if you believe in the bible.

miles you continuously only post pages of scripture in here and its
kind of annoying to be honest ... not to mention the book of job, no
god allows satan to do it, it has nothing to do with our growth the BOOK
OF JOB is a bet between god and the adversiary ( sp) in which god says
his ppl wont turn and the A guy says he can make them.. its a bet god
lets it be done and in doing so he takes all of jobs possessions,
kills his family, turns his friends away, puts boils on his skin... all
so he can try to win a bet.. reread the book... thats a hell uva a "
good" god for ya

ps let me get this straight miles.. would you let your child fall off of
a balcony or press their hand to the top of a stove in order so that
they can learn a lesson by " experience" or would you as a watcher move
to grab your child to stop them from hurting themselves?

"This is in fact, one of the issues I have with Christianity. The dogma
is designed to be a ball and chain of guilt."

Kinda picking and choosing just a tad there, aren't ya? I certainly
don't live my life riddled with guilt, and I've been a Christian since I
was five years old.

"How disgusting is it for a religion to have to stoop so low that if it
can’t win people’s hearts with the love of god it must resort to trying
to entrap them with a guilt complex."

Like I said, you sure make it a point to take things out of context. You
sound like you have some major, deep-seated issues that go beyond just
being unhappy with what the Bible teaches, IMO.

"That’s thoroughly despicable."

Picking apart the Word of God to try to twist it into something it's not
is what's despicable.

I have no feelings of guilt. You’re barking up the wrong tree here.

Well, you've certainly made that crystal. The Bible teaches that guilt
is not a good thing, and I certainly don't think we should wallow in it,
but the sense I get from you is that you think you are above being a
sinner. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings but you are, in fact,
guilty of some kind of wrongdoing. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt,
yanno.

sooooooooo lemme see

1. God is bored and just likes to play chess with his
creation...pitting brother against brother for His own amusement...

2. He thought he would give us free will just to punish us for using
it...sounds cruel

3. We stop thinking of God in limited 'human' terms.


I will take door number 3 thank you.

whatever happened to judge not lest ye be judged.not practiced
much.anyway could someone address invisibles statement.i have always
wondered the same thing myself.I also have a hard time believing a baby
is a sinner.

God has a wicked sense of humor for sure..

Sheila wrote:
“The Bible teaches that guilt is not a good thing, and I certainly don't
think we should wallow in it, but the sense I get from you is that you
think you are above being a sinner.”

I feel guiltless at this point in my life because I consciously take
full responsibility for my actions.

Not because I blatantly refuse to accept any responsibility.

I just don’t do bad things Sheila.

I know that’s hard for you to believe, but that doesn’t change the fact
that it’s true.

How conveeeeeeeeeenient.

The lovely Kat and I have had our disagreements on the subject ogf God
and religion..

I was not always kind to her, and I apologize for that!

I must say that I believe in a "Creator", but, I abhor organized
religion!

It always starts out the same; Some believers, who want to spread the
word..

Then, it ends up with Rolex watches, Rolls Royces, and visiting
prostitutes!

My God is real, and He?she has told me to confine my prayers to my room,
so that He/She, alone could hear them.

Praying to/for someone, other than God, to me..seems hyprocitial..

I do not mock religion, only those who profit from it!!

EDIT: He/She