That's Attorney General Eric Holder's job!
Who says he wont?
First he must gather all the evidence.
I think they call it building a case that cant lose!

Give him time.
Bush and co had 8 yrs to hide stuff.

Appreciated, MM. I admire your ability to have compassion, as you expressed in here, to the human being dealt with. They may be terrorists or suspected but, they still human.

I was hoping to keep my,"Most unpopular poster status."

Here's a thought to chew on.

The "supposed" terrorists (many found to still be alive and well) listed and "supporting" evidence said the hijackers were Saudi's. Yet we declare war on Iraq and invade Afganistan.... hmmmmmmmmm

The whole Bush regime was on crack! The House and Senate were on LSD and the American people were on Xanax. That's the only way it all makes sense....

Oh you mean like another 911 coverup....I mean investigation?

aren't those old documents???? if there is a current investigation, aren't their current ones?

The Obama administration last month released nine legal memos, and probably will release more as the lawsuit proceeds. But the four released Thursday represent the fullest, and now complete, accounting by the government of the methods authorized and used, the officials said.

Those include keeping detainees naked for long periods, keeping them in a painful standing position for long periods, and depriving them of solid food. Other tactics included using a plastic neck collar to slam detainees into walls, keeping the detainee's cell cold for long periods, and beating and kicking the detainee. Sleep-deprivation, prolonged shackling, and threats to a detainee's family were also used.

Among the things not allowed in the memos were allowing a prisoner's body temperature or caloric intake to fall below a certain level, because either could cause permanent damage, said senior administration officials. They discussed the memos on condition of anonymity to more fully describe the president's decision-making process.

The investigations go on. Looking for illegal activities but Obama is right if our own "Hitler" said this torture was legal there is not much to be done except make sure it is not continued.

Obama already said he doesn't really want to pursue prosecutions unless blatant violations are revealed.

In this case they were acting under presidential orders so it was legal then.

Obama has ordered the CIA's secret overseas prisons known as "black sites" closed and ended so-called "extraordinary renditions" of terrorism suspects if there is any reason to believe the third country would torture them. He has also restricted CIA questioners to only those interrogation methods and protocols approved for use by the U.S. military until a complete review of the program is conducted.

Also Thursday, Holder formally revoked every legal opinion or memo issued during Bush's presidency that justified interrogation programs.

The documents have been the subject of a long, fierce debate in and outside government over how much officials should say.

The Bush administration held the view that the president had the authority to claim broad powers that could not be checked by Congress or the courts in order to keep Americans safe. Obama and Holder, among others, have said that the use of such unchecked powers has actually made Americans less safe, by increasing anti-U.S. sentiment, endangering American troops when captured and handing terrorists a recruiting tool.

"Enlisting our values in the protection of our people makes us stronger and more secure," Obama said in his statement.

Even so, the officials described the president's process of deciding how much to release in response to the suit as very difficult. Over four weeks, there were intense debates involving the president, Cabinet members, lower-level officials and even former administration officials.

Obama was concerned that releasing the information could endanger ongoing operations, American personnel or U.S. relationships with foreign intelligence services. CIA officials, in particular, needed reassuring, the officials said.

But in the end, the view of the Justice Department prevailed, that the FOIA law required the release and that the government would be forced to do so by the court if it didn't do so itself, the officials said.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-04-16-cia-waterboarding_N.htm


The US is being sued over Bush Policies!

They were permitted to anything but kill
them.

OOps, They did kill some torturing them.

There was a movie released in 2008 called "Standard Operating Proceedure" about the MP agenda in Iraq and their orders for SOP. They all went on the record telling who gave their orders and what they were..... they were told to simply "watch and shut up" as the CIA "interrogated" prisoners. Many were called on to remove bodies of prisoners who "walked in" to the interrogation. All said the prisoners were detained as "suspects".

We're not torturing criminals, we're interrogating suspects. Silly me, I had thought there was a difference.

Now, what we gonna' do with all those folks who's parents raised them to be good interrogators? Those guys are made, not born? Takes a special type of person to be able to handle that type of career.
Where are they supposed to go?
Perhaps, retire and go into private practice?

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§ 2340.
(1) “torture” means an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody or physical control;
(2) “severe mental pain or suffering” means the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from—
(A) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering;
(B) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application, of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality;
(C) the threat of imminent death; or
(D) the threat that another person will imminently be subjected to death, severe physical pain or suffering, or the administration or application of mind-altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality;

The Bybee Memo was in response to the CIAs request to the Justice Department for a legal opinion on allowable interrogation techniques of prisoners captured outside of the US.

The memo concluded that even though an act is "cruel, inhuman, or degrading," it does not necessarily inflict the level of pain that 18 USC 2340 prohibits, and thus does not subject an interrogator to criminal prosecution.

What this means is that legally, Holder can do nothing. This was a legal opinion that has merit, based on precedent. Whether you like it or not, these techniques were legal, based on the interpretation of the US Code, UN Convention Against Torture, and Commander in Chief Powers of the President.

I find it interesting when typical left wing howlers, are citing some sort of "moral" grounds for not using enhanced interrogations.

If it goes above what is legal, the just farm sub-contract them to allies who aren't subject to our law. Doesn't mean it has stopped, just means, we ain't doin' it.

Its all about standing on our fundamental principles. The things that made us great in the past. We are better than torture (which doesnt even work)

Thanks


I think these captured enemies should be locked up but this torture stuff is UnAmerican and just plain evil. We dont have to sink to the level of (some of)our enemies.We can be better. We can be the good guys.

Here are some supporting testimonials for ya',MM.

* Army Field Manual 34-52 Chapter 1 says:

"Experience indicates that the use of force is not necessary to gain the cooperation of sources for interrogation. Therefore, the use of force is a poor technique, as it yields unreliable results, may damage subsequent collection efforts, and can induce the source to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants to hear."

* A declassified FBI e-mail dated May 10, 2004, regarding interrogation at Guantanamo states "[we] explained to [the Department of Defense], FBI has been successful for many years obtaining confessions via non-confrontational interviewing techniques."

* Brigadier General David R. Irvine, retired Army Reserve strategic intelligence officer who taught prisoner interrogation and military law for 18 years with the Sixth Army Intelligence School, says torture doesn't work

* A former FBI interrogator -- who interrogated Al Qaeda suspects -- says categorically that torture does not help collect intelligence. On the other hand he says that torture actually turns people into terrorists

* A 30-year veteran of CIA’s operations directorate who rose to the most senior managerial ranks, says:

“The administration’s claims of having ‘saved thousands of Americans’ can be dismissed out of hand because credible evidence has never been offered — not even an authoritative leak of any major terrorist operation interdicted based on information gathered from these interrogations in the past seven years. … It is irresponsible for any administration not to tell a credible story that would convince critics at home and abroad that this torture has served some useful purpose.

This is not just because the old hands overwhelmingly believe that torture doesn’t work — it doesn’t — but also because they know that torture creates more terrorists and fosters more acts of terror than it could possibly neutralize.”

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RELEASED: The Bush Administration's Secret Legal Memos

On April 16, 2009, the Department of Justice released four secret memos used by the Bush administration to justify torture.
Read the release >>
A 18-page memo, dated August 1, 2002, from Jay Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, OLC, to John A. Rizzo, General Counsel CIA. [PDF]
A 46-page memo, dated May 10, 2005, from Steven Bradbury, Acting Assistant Attorney General, OLC, to John A. Rizzo, General Counsel CIA. [PDF]
A 20-page memo, dated May 10, 2005, from Steven Bradbury, Acting Assistant Attorney General, OLC, to John A. Rizzo, General Counsel CIA. [PDF]
A 40-page memo, dated May 30, 2005, from Steven Bradbury, Acting Assistant Attorney General, OLC, to John A. Rizzo, General Counsel CIA. [PDF]
http://www.aclu.org/safefree/general/olc_memos.html

All torture should be illegal, we are not animals. We should be far more enlightened than to participate in torturous activities.

We are better than that.

And then to train men and women to participate in torture and set them lose on civilians when they are done with them is wrong too. Their psyche is twisted once they cross into this bizarre trade.

If you wish to see justice brought down on those guilty of the acts and those covering the acts up, visit the ACLU site and fill out the form.
https://secure.aclu.org/site/SPageServer?pagename=Nat_Petition_SpecialProsecutor