You are telling me to erase history? You are telling me to erase eyewitnesses of what Christianity had done to them and their elders and their people. I have a seminole native indian friend who is 97 years old and tells me the accounts of what he suffered and of his father because of christianity.

Reading the bible is the last thing I will do. There are much more peaceful and interesting books to read that have less negativity in it.

The truth of the bible is the truth of the atrocities of the world. One who follow its faith page by page hurt and destroy lives and not perserve it, especially those in power. It is your decision to put a blind eye on history, or on other religious practices, and lifestyles that deem to be much more peaceful to mankind. If that is the choice you choose then so be it, but I choose not to be blind.

I suggest you study Buddhism for beginners.

HABERMAS: Once you mentioned to me that your view might be called Deism. Do you think that would be a fair designation?

FLEW: Yes, absolutely right. What Deists, such as the Mr. Jefferson who drafted the American Declaration of Independence, believed was that, while reason, mainly in the form of arguments to design, assures us that there is a God, there is no room either for any supernatural revelation of that God or for any transactions between that God and individual human beings.

You really can't use Flew to argue that the bible is the word of god, since he doesn't believe in the bible himself.

I am not going to respond to posts concerning my argument, it would take to long. I will give reasons for my premises.


1. All designs imply a designer.
2. There is great design in the Universe.
3. Therefore, there must be a Great Designer


"God makes sense of the complex order in the universe. During the last 30 years, scientists have discovered that the existence of intelligent life depends upon a delicate and complex balance of initial conditions simply given in the Big Bang itself.  We now know that life–prohibiting universes are vastly more probable than any life–permitting universe like ours. How much more probable?
12. Well, the answer is that the chances that the universe should be life–permitting are so infinitesimal as to be incomprehensible and incalculable.  For example, Stephen Hawking has estimated that if the rate of the universe's expansion one second after the Big Bang had been smaller by even one part in a hundred thousand million million, the universe would have re–collapsed into a hot fireball.{5}  P.C.W. Davies has calculated that the odds against the initial conditions being suitable for star formation (without which planets could not exist) is one followed by a thousand billion billion zeroes, at least.{6}  [He also] estimates that a change in the strength of gravity or of the weak force by only one part in 10 raised to the 100th power would have prevented a life–permitting universe.{7}  There are around 50 such constants and quantities present in the Big Bang which must be fine–tuned in this way if the universe is to permit life.  And it's not just each quantity which must be finely tuned; their ratios to each other must also be exquisitely finely tuned.  So improbability is multiplied by improbability by improbability until our minds are reeling in incomprehensible numbers.
13. There is no physical reason why these constants and quantities should posses the values they do.  The one–time agnostic physicist P.C. W. Davies comments, "Through my scientific work I have come to believe more and more strongly that the physical universe is put together with an ingenuity so astonishing that I cannot accept it merely as a brute fact."{8} Similarly, Fred Hoyle remarks, "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super–intellect has monkeyed with physics."{9}  Robert Jastrow, the head of NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, calls this the most powerful evidence for the existence of God ever to come out of science.{10}
14. So, once again, the view that Christian theists have always held, that there is an intelligent Designer of the universe, seems to make much more sense than the atheistic interpretation that the universe, when it popped into being, uncaused, out of nothing, just happened to be, by chance, fine–tuned for intelligent life with an incomprehensible precision and delicacy."

The evidence for the supernatural is so overwhelming that the leading defender of atheism and intellectual philosopher, Tony Flew. For the past sixty years he has been the top defender of atheism, up there with the ranks of Bertrand Russel, has recently become a believer in the supernatural.