Topic: geoengineering the climate...
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Fri 04/10/09 10:16 AM
AP Newsbreak: Obama looks at climate engineering
By SETH BORENSTEIN – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — The president's new science adviser said Wednesday that global warming is so dire, the Obama administration is discussing radical technologies to cool Earth's air.

John Holdren told The Associated Press in his first interview since being confirmed last month that the idea of geoengineering the climate is being discussed. One such extreme option includes shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun's rays. Holdren said such an experimental measure would only be used as a last resort.

"It's got to be looked at," he said. "We don't have the luxury of taking any approach off the table."

Holdren outlined several "tipping points" involving global warming that could be fast approaching. Once such milestones are reached, such as complete loss of summer sea ice in the Arctic, it increases chances of "really intolerable consequences," he said.

Twice in a half-hour interview, Holdren compared global warming to being "in a car with bad brakes driving toward a cliff in the fog."

At first, Holdren characterized the potential need to technologically tinker with the climate as just his personal view. However, he went on to say he has raised it in administration discussions.

Holdren, a 65-year-old physicist, is far from alone in taking geoengineering more seriously. The National Academy of Science is making climate tinkering the subject of its first workshop in its new multidiscipline climate challenges program. The British parliament has also discussed the idea.

The American Meteorological Society is crafting a policy statement on geoengineering that says "it is prudent to consider geoengineering's potential, to understand its limits and to avoid rash deployment."

Last week, Princeton scientist Robert Socolow told the National Academy that geoengineering should be an available option in case climate worsens dramatically.

But Holdren noted that shooting particles into the air — making an artificial volcano as one Nobel laureate has suggested — could have grave side effects and would not completely solve all the problems from soaring greenhouse gas emissions. So such actions could not be taken lightly, he said.

Still, "we might get desperate enough to want to use it," he added.

Another geoengineering option he mentioned was the use of so-called artificial trees to suck carbon dioxide — the chief human-caused greenhouse gas — out of the air and store it. At first that seemed prohibitively expensive, but a re-examination of the approach shows it might be less costly, he said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hm1kMpA2nQALOfQL8Y8PxxTHNVtgD97ECHLG1

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Fri 04/10/09 10:17 AM
Obama’s Plan To “Geo-Engineer” The Planet Mirrors CFR Policy Documents


Radical terraforming programs come from elite Internationalists

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, April 9, 2009

The Obama administration’s announcement that it is to consider radical planetary “geo-engineering”, such as “shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect the sun’s rays”, exactly mirrors recent publications penned by the elite Council On Foreign Relations.

Yesterday the Associated Press reported that the Obama administration has held discussions regarding the possibility of “geo-engineering” the earth’s climate to counter global warming.

The AP report states that Obama’s science advisor John Holdren is pushing for radical terra forming programs to be explored such as creating an “artificial volcano”. Despite Holdren’s admission that such measures could have “grave side effects,” he added that, “we might get desperate enough to want to use it.”

Such ideas exactly mirror those put forth by the CFR in previous years.

In briefing notes (PDF) published in May 2008 from the CFR’s Geoengineering: Workshop on Unilateral Planetary Scale Geoengineering, the elite internationalist group lays out the exact same radical ideas now being touted by the Obama administration.

The following excerpts are taken from the document:

Geoengineering Strategies

Among all geoengineering schemes, those currently considered most feasible involve increasing the planetary albedo, that is, reflecting more sunlight back into space before it can be absorbed. There are a number of different methods that could be used to increase the planet’s reflectivity:

1. Add more small reflecting particles in the upper part of the atmosphere (the stratosphere which is located between 15 and 50 kilometers above the Earth’s surface).

2. Add more clouds in the lower part of the atmosphere (the troposphere)

3. Place various kinds of reflecting objects in space either near the earth or at a stable location between the earth and the sun.

4. Change large portions of the planet’s land cover from things that are dark (absorbing) such as trees to things that are light (reflecting) such as open snowcover or grasses.

[…]

Stratospheric Aerosols that might be engineered to migrate to particular regions (e.g. over the arctic) or to rise above the stratospher (so as not to interfere in stratospheric chemistry).

Adding more of the right kind of fine particles to the stratosphere can increase the amount of sunlight that is reflected back into space.

Applied to geoengineering, various technologies could be used to loft particles into the stratosphere, such as naval guns, rockets, hot air balloons or blimps, or a fleet of highflying aircraft. Potential types of particles for injection include sulfur dioxide, aluminum oxide dust or even designer self-levitating aerosols.

The CFR’s geo-engineering research program is directed by David G. Victor a Professor at Stanford Law School and an Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations. Also involved are M. Granger Morgan, head of Carnegie Mellon University’s Department of Engineering, Jay Apt, Professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University, and John Steinbruner, Professor of Public Policy and Director of the Center for International and Security Studies at the University of Maryland.

In an article entitled The Geoengineering Option: A Last Resort Against Global Warming? published in this month’s Foreign Affairs, the CFR’s monthly magazine, the directors once again lay out their ideas for planetary terraforming, calling for a worldwide 60-80 percent cut in carbon emissions.

Obama’s push toward a so called “cap and trade” carbon taxation program is also a direct descendant of Victor et al’s CFR policy formation.

A CFR geo-engineering meeting summary document from 1999 (PDF pages 12,13,14) also categorically states that the ultimate goal under “A technology strategy for global warming” is the implementation of a global Carbon Tax.

The memo also pedantically explains how the perceived fear of global warming can be used to sell to Americans what is essentially a tax on air:

“While taxing tea pales in comparison to taxing air as a perceived government affront, the clear benefits of a taxation policy to combat global warming might convince even the descendents of our tax-resistant Founding Fathers.”

The tentative announcement by the Obama administration of the existence of geoengineering research programs is a first step toward introducing the idea to the wider public.

However, as we highlighted in our master article yesterday, geo-engineering is undoubtedly already being conducted by government-affiliated universities, government agencies, and on a mass scale through chemtrail spraying.

Such programs merely scratch the surface of what is likely to be a gargantuan and overarching black-budget funded project to terraform the planet, with little or no care for the unknown environmental consequences this could engender.

Further Research: Here is an extremely valuable file folder containing 8 PDFs, all published by the CFR, and all concerning their Geo-Engineering Program.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/obamas-plan-to-geo-engineer-the-planet-mirrors-cfr-policy-documents.html

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Fri 04/10/09 10:22 AM
I am not an expert by far, but didn't the scientist say a few years ago that more cloud cover would contribute to more "global warming"?

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Fri 04/10/09 10:27 AM



This Guy is an Idiot! What are the Repercusion's of Playing Gawd with the Weather? Adding Pollution Particles in the Air to Block the Suns Rays? oh that Sounds Like a Good Idea! Remember When The Ozone was Depleting and We all Were Gonna Burn up? No One is Talking about the Ozone any more Because the Earth Healed and Will Heal itself.

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Fri 04/10/09 10:34 AM




This Guy is an Idiot! What are the Repercusion's of Playing Gawd with the Weather? Adding Pollution Particles in the Air to Block the Suns Rays? oh that Sounds Like a Good Idea! Remember When The Ozone was Depleting and We all Were Gonna Burn up? No One is Talking about the Ozone any more Because the Earth Healed and Will Heal itself.


It's so funny to see something (chemtrails) that has been badgered as a myth for years, come to the forefront as a potential way to push for curing the questionable "global warming".

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Fri 04/10/09 10:55 AM
There was also something about synthetic trees that will draw carbon monoxide out of the air, yet not produce oxygen. Of course this then will require some sort of recycling needed to get rid of all the carbon monoxide that was trapped.

I'm having a bit of trouble understanding why we don't want to produce oxygen.

Just getting people to go back to living off the land with good clean food and water seems like a reasonable place to focus on to me. But what do I know.

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Fri 04/10/09 11:04 AM
Why not just kill all the scientists, after all we are going to kill eachother one way or the other, no sense in trying to solve problems, since we don't trust anyone anyway...

None of us here are scientists are we? but we can conclude that scientists will are helping some secret evil group to get more power? I would seem to me that if one wants more power the last thing they want it is kill off the planet. What's the use of power if you have no place to enjoy it.

Guess I just don't get it...

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Fri 04/10/09 11:18 AM
The globalists are sick, these happen to be the same folks calling for a 80% reduction in world population. These are the same folks that push eugenics.

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Fri 04/10/09 05:10 PM
Didnt there used to be a site called weather wars or something like that? The guy was a meteorologist. He had kinds of info on chemtrails.

I quit going to the site, after he was saying the chinese mafia controlled all the worlds weather.