AdventureBegins,

Ah, that is the rub. I haven't been offended by your beliefs, that
would be stupid. I have been offended when someone incorrectly
interpreted or intentionally twisted Christian doctrine. There is a
vast difference between the two. You can tell me that Chrisianity is
wrong and not bother me. You can twist the Gospel and I will defend it.
Surely you can see the difference?

Which Bible is your Bible of choice, Spider?

Or do you study only from the direct documents,the original transcripts,
translated by yourself?

Invisible wrote:
“Spider, you certainly have a great way of twisting and turning the
words of others to suit your needs.”

I have learned a long time ago that when I talk with people who twist
and turn my words, I cut the conversation short and move on to talk with
someone else.

You can never have a sentient conversation with someone who refuses to
see your point of view. They have a one-track mind for their agenda
only. The only thing to do is to move on. Even attempting to point out
to them the fact that they are twisting your words will have no effect
because they will simply twist THOSE words too.

Seriously Invisible. If you don’t like what Spider has to say, just
skip over his posts. What could be simpler? I know you are trying to
help him see the light of grace. But your efforts will be futile and
only lead to your own frustration.

In short, it isn’t worth it.

I like the NIV, KJV and NASB. They are all wonderful and each has
something different to offer.

I came to this conclusion myself, Abra, your words just help me to do it
that bit faster

So you study three different translations, interpretations?

Is that right?

I am not familiar with the abbreviations, excuse my ignorance..

Spider>

As I have stated many times I do not read your book. How then would I
twist its words. I do not quote them. You do.

NIV = New International Version. This version is translated into todays
English language.

KJV = King James Version. It was first published in the 1600's, it's
where all the "thees and thous" come from.

NASB = New American Standard Bible. This version is considered by most
to be the most accurate translation.

I like to read the NASB. If I have trouble with a certain scripture, I
consult NIV...it is often more clear. If I want to quote a scripture
for literary effect, I quote KJV for it's flowery language. They are
all three wonderful translations of the Bible.

Three diferent versions.

Which one is it than that has not one jot or one tittle changed.

As is required by your own faith.

Thankyou spider.

Question...if when looking for clarification within these scriptures, it
is not clearly defined, or correlated between all three, what do you do
then?

Do you have an advisor? A mentor, teacher as such?

AdventureBegins,

Once again, you are jumping to conclusions. I didn't say you did. I
was stating that I only get offended when someone distorts or twists the
scriptures or doctrine of Christianity. When you ask a question and I
answer it, it doesn't mean that the answer applies to you, it means that
answer applies to the question.

Spider> When I have a something to say to no one person in particular I
merely state it.

When I have something to say to an individual I will place their name
within the post.

You addressed that perticular post to me. How am I not supposed to
think you are posting to me when you reference my name.

It either is or it isn't. Obviously you have studied debate.

If you address a post to me you are talkin about me to then claim
otherwise because you don't like my answer is childish.

I use Strong's Concordance. If I still have questions, I pray, and
allow the Holy Spirit to explain the scripture to me. I should probably
pray first, but I still lean on my own strength more than I should.

1 Corinthians 2:13-14
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which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in
those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual
words. But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of
God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them,
because they are spiritually appraised.
------------------------------------------------------------

The Holy Spirit teaches us the things of the Spirt of God. The entire
bible is the words of the Spirit of God, therefore there is no better
teacher. Jesus described the Holy Spirit as a better teacher than he
was himself.

The spirit of god comes not from the books. It comes from the source.
Therefore you need not the book to receive the spirit.

all you need is to accept god and his spirit follows.

AdventureBegins wrote:

When I have something to say to an individual I will place their name
within the post.

You addressed that perticular post to me. How am I not supposed to
think you are posting to me when you reference my name.

It either is or it isn't. Obviously you have studied debate.

If you address a post to me you are talkin about me to then claim
otherwise because you don't like my answer is childish.

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SpiderCMB replied:

AdventureBegins,

You said: "Since some of us have offended you by the way you post.
Perhaps then by
you own reasoning your faith is weak. "

I replied: "Ah, that is the rub. I haven't been offended by your
beliefs, that
would be stupid. I have been offended when someone incorrectly
interpreted or intentionally twisted Christian doctrine. There is a
vast difference between the two. You can tell me that Chrisianity is
wrong and not bother me. You can twist the Gospel and I will defend it.
Surely you can see the difference?"

I realize now that I should have quoted your question, I assumed that
you would know I was addressing your accusation that I been offended by
you posting your beliefs. With forums like these, with so many posts
being made, nothing should be assumed, that was my mistake.

Thankyou Spider.

Your faith in what you believe is strong.

As is mine

and AB's

and Invisible's

and Abra's.

We all have conviction.

They differ is all.

AdventureBegins wrote:

The spirit of god comes not from the books. It comes from the source.
Therefore you need not the book to receive the spirit.

all you need is to accept god and his spirit follows.

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SpiderCMB replied:

You make this kind of post frequently and I don't normally respond,
because I know it is your opinion and I respect your right to have an
opinion. You are stating your opinion here without any suggestion that
you are wrong. You are presenting your belief with absolute conviction
that you are right. You have criticized me for doing the same thing, do
you feel that this makes you a hypocrite?

Spider> In response to your post about my opinions.

It is not my opinion that all you need is god.

It is my faith. With god all things are posible. Without god the
sweetest words are but sour repetition of anothers wisdom.

Should a man speak every word ever written in the name of god and yet
not have faith in god those words will be but a hollow shell without
substance.

With each breath I take my faith grows stronger as his spirit breaths
also within me.

AdventureBegins,

Okay man, lol. Pride is a son of a *****, huh? You know you were wrong
in how you have treated me for talking about my faith, but you just
can't admit it.

Spider wrote:
“You are stating your opinion here without any suggestion that you are
wrong”

To me there is a huge difference between AB’s belief and your belief.

AB’s belief is simply that god exists and anyone can know god.

Your belief is that a doctrine exists and the only way anyone can know
god is through that particular doctrine.

AB’s belief embraces yours (at least with respect to your personal path)

You belief rejects his personal path.