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Assumptions...um, so say you own a baseball bat..does that give them the right to assume you're going to bash someones head in? |
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Don't get me wrong here, i'm in no way justifying drunk driving..but i do have to question the logic. |
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Mark bro
 been a while hope all is well |
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I am sorry about your friend, I am on the opposite side of the spectrum... I have lost 3 people to drunk driving..
One was hit.. One dodge One was the one that was too drunk and went to the sleep at the wheel. I guess he should have thought about how toasted he was getting and made arrangements to have a cab called. Also where was the bartender and their judgement. In my state we are really cracking down on how much someone is served before they are cut off, I know up here the bartenders ask after X amount.. How did you get here? How are you going home? If any of those answers are the drinker is going to be behind the wheel they are cut off. Sorry this is a subject that really is raw with me. |
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Yes, it does suck that the law was interpreted so literally. However, in all fairness to the police officers and the law, they didn't know his intentions. For all they knew, he passed out, and would wake up, still drunk, and drive off. And, they didn't know how he got there to begin with. It's doubtful that the charge will stick but unfortunately, it'll probably cost him a boatload of time and money to get it dropped. I wish him well  You're surely not suggesting that you can now be busted based on what cops "think" your intentions are. Ever been out in a boat on the lake, and there's fishing equipment in the boat, but you don't have a fishing license? If you're questioned by the authorities, your ass is grass, simply for the fact that you had the means to do an illegal activity within your grasp, even if you had no intention of doing so. It's your word against theirs, and who is the judge gonna believe? Conversely, women use this strategy all the time. It's called "accusation of rape". |
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If there is probable cause (i.e. passed out behind the wheel with the keys in the ignition), than yes. Just like if you walk into a bank with your gun out. You may be there to deposit your lottery winnings but they don't know that. Tell your friend, next time, keep his keys in his pocket and climb into the back seat or passenger seat. flowerforyou I really think this point is valid. If he genuinely wanted to sleep....why did he put the keys in the ignition? and why didnt he lay down in the back seat (where he prob wouldnt have been seen) |
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I am sorry about your friend, I am on the opposite side of the spectrum... I have lost 3 people to drunk driving.. One was hit.. One dodge One was the one that was too drunk and went to the sleep at the wheel. I guess he should have thought about how toasted he was getting and made arrangements to have a cab called. Also where was the bartender and their judgement. In my state we are really cracking down on how much someone is served before they are cut off, I know up here the bartenders ask after X amount.. How did you get here? How are you going home? If any of those answers are the drinker is going to be behind the wheel they are cut off. Sorry this is a subject that really is raw with me. I am sorry for your losses. I have seen too many lives ruined over drunk driving. I don't know the laws in my state, but I read the paper and a lot of people get arrested for driving under the influence. I think the person needs to think about drinking before they go out and drive. Have someone else drive, get a cab, have some sort of plan. JMO |
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Edited by
JimmyTheGent
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Fri 04/03/09 05:17 PM
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I am sorry about your friend, I am on the opposite side of the spectrum... I have lost 3 people to drunk driving.. One was hit.. One dodge One was the one that was too drunk and went to the sleep at the wheel. I guess he should have thought about how toasted he was getting and made arrangements to have a cab called. Also where was the bartender and their judgement. In my state we are really cracking down on how much someone is served before they are cut off, I know up here the bartenders ask after X amount.. How did you get here? How are you going home? If any of those answers are the drinker is going to be behind the wheel they are cut off. Sorry this is a subject that really is raw with me. I understand completely, Sitka. And I agree with everything you have said. My point is this. And Adj4u made it earlier. How many people in that bar left and drove drunk? And didn't get caught? But the guy who chose not to drive, and in all fairness is completely innocent of the crime of drunk driving, is the one who gets busted. Where is the justice? |
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Here's a reason we have drunk driving laws
 and another  and another  I've got one more. March 31, 1998 My aunt buried her 15 yr old son because he was killed by a drunk driver. Richard lived 3 days before he finally succumbed to his multiple injuries. Have you had to sit with a family member at her son's gravesite on his birthday as she wailed unconsoleably for a child who would never grow into a man, that she'd never talk to again, that she'd never be able to hug again, that would never walk thru the front door yellin "What's for dinner Mom?". I have. It tears my heart to shreds everytime. I have absolutely no tolerence for drunk drivin now. What's even worse, the man responsible for ending Richard's short life never did one day, hour or even minute of jail time. So forgive me if I have no pity for someone who's arrested for DUI. There is no excuse for it in this day and age. There are cabs, buses, DDs, walk or stay home and drink. The next time you're in a bar and you go to walk out the door thinkin "oh, I've only had a couple, I'm fine to drive myself home" ask yourself, Do you want to be the one responsible for another Mother cryin at her child's gravesite? |
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Ppl just shouldnt take their car out if they are gonna be drinking alcohol. That way there is no temptation to drive it home, cos as we all know, alcohol clouds ur judgement.
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Ppl just shouldnt take their car out if they are gonna be drinking alcohol. That way there is no temptation to drive it home, cos as we all know, alcohol clouds ur judgement. But it still isn't taxed 158%. |
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Nope...in the driver's seat and the keys in the ignition. How can the police assume that he would not wake up and attempt to drive home and risk his and others' lives. This is a classic example as why laws are made.
If one cannot adhere...too bad, so sad! If you are going out to drink...you plan ahead and cover your a$$ so you do not risk getting arrested. Simple math! |
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Here's a reason we have drunk driving laws and another and another I've got one more. March 31, 1998 My aunt buried her 15 yr old son because he was killed by a drunk driver. Richard lived 3 days before he finally succumbed to his multiple injuries. Have you had to sit with a family member at her son's gravesite on his birthday as she wailed unconsoleably for a child who would never grow into a man, that she'd never talk to again, that she'd never be able to hug again, that would never walk thru the front door yellin "What's for dinner Mom?". I have. It tears my heart to shreds everytime. I have absolutely no tolerence for drunk drivin now. What's even worse, the man responsible for ending Richard's short life never did one day, hour or even minute of jail time. So forgive me if I have no pity for someone who's arrested for DUI. There is no excuse for it in this day and age. There are cabs, buses, DDs, walk or stay home and drink. The next time you're in a bar and you go to walk out the door thinkin "oh, I've only had a couple, I'm fine to drive myself home" ask yourself, Do you want to be the one responsible for another Mother cryin at her child's gravesite? and what does that have to do with deciding not to drive drunk and sleep in the parking lot of the bar???????????????????????????? |
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Nope...in the driver's seat and the keys in the ignition. How can the police assume that he would not wake up and attempt to drive home and risk his and others' lives. This is a classic example as why laws are made. If one cannot adhere...too bad, so sad! If you are going out to drink...you plan ahead and cover your a$$ so you do not risk getting arrested. Simple math! using that logic everyman should be arrested for rape he has everything he needs to commit the crime |
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I believe I said that.
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A good cop would have woken the guy, helped him call a cap for a ride home, or given him a ride home. There is nothing right about charging someone who didn't commit a crime yet. You see, police officers are supposed to used their own descretion to uphold safety and pace. By Waking the guy up, and seeing to it that he gets home without causing ay danger, the police would be doing their job, and no one gets hurt.
But it's not about that. They just wanted to charge a guy some money and make their quota. The only difference between Option A and Option B is nobody has to pay a fine. |
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Nope...in the driver's seat and the keys in the ignition. How can the police assume that he would not wake up and attempt to drive home and risk his and others' lives. This is a classic example as why laws are made. If one cannot adhere...too bad, so sad! If you are going out to drink...you plan ahead and cover your a$$ so you do not risk getting arrested. Simple math! using that logic everyman should be arrested for rape he has everything he needs to commit the crime Oh please already...the generalizations and the lack of accountability are way to much overwhelming. [YAWN} |
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I thought the car actually had to be on? Maybe it is different from state to state, or I'm unfamiliar with the law...but I always thought if the car was on regardless of it moving or not it was charged as a movable offense?
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Ppl just shouldnt take their car out if they are gonna be drinking alcohol. That way there is no temptation to drive it home, cos as we all know, alcohol clouds ur judgement. he was not driving it and obviously did not give into ant temptation to do so if any arose the point is, he did not drive. he slept in the car. now it made the news, he got punished for not driving under the influence. the next time, maybe the person that would have slept in the car decides to try and drive home, because; if they sleep in the car at the bar, they will most certainly get a dui. so they drive, and the person they kill, might be you or one of your loved ones look at those pictures again and think about it |
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I thought the car actually had to be on? Maybe it is different from state to state, or I'm unfamiliar with the law...but I always thought if the car was on regardless of it moving or not it was charged as a movable offense? In my state it is keys in the ignition. I knew someone that got his second DUI this way... He left a place where him and his wife were drinking she was driving.. she pulled into a pullout made him trade places he realized that he was too drunk to drive and went to sleep. Yep, he got his second dui.. |
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