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Topic: NEW ANTI ZIONIST PARTY LAUNCHED
think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:42 PM
NEW ANTI ZIONIST PARTY LAUNCHED


i bet we will really start seeing some hatred towards france now. the zionists will make sure they put france through the ringer.



In an attampt to rid it's country from the contol of Zionist Lobby Groups and organizations, France has launched it's new Anti Zionist Political Party called "Parti Anti Sioniste." Below are the parties goals taken from a translated page:

EFFORTS AND AMBITIONS OF ANTI Zionist PARTY IN FRANCE

 To eliminate the Zionist interference in the affairs of the Nation.

 Denounce all the politicians who are advocating Zionism.

 Eliminating all forms of Zionism in the nation.

 Prevent companies and institutions to contribute to the war effort of a foreign nation that does not respect international law.

 Unleashing our state, our government and our institutions of the grip and the pressure of Zionist organizations.

 Unleashing the media for a plurality of information to promote freedom of expression.

 Promote the free expression of the politics, culture, philosophy and religion and free of Zionism.

 Restoring power in France and the French under the new geopolitical and economic rules on the big issues that engage the responsibility of the Nation.

 Do not engage France in the wars of colonization and repatriate our armed forces stationed in Africa, Afghanistan and around the world.

 Requiring a referendum for any new commitment of France abroad.

 Establish a bill to ban dual nationality to participate in war without explicit mandate of the Nation.

 Prohibit any militia whatever their faith.

 Establish a national dialogue to raise awareness and a society that excludes any advocacy of Zionism.

 Set the mode of voting by proportional representation so that all segments of society are represented.

 Advocate for the establishment of a society of justice, progress and tolerance.



Tip of the hat to: http://irish4palestine.blogspot.com/2009/03/new-anti-zionist-party-launched.html

CleanBathroom's photo
Sun 03/15/09 03:55 PM
Just what we need ...

MORE HATE! noway noway

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:32 PM
the zionists are the ones that are promoting the hate. that's why they want them out of france.

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 04:34 PM
we need to remove zionists from our government too. the zionists are nothing but israel firsters. they have no loyalties to america whatsoever. most of them have dual american/israeli citizenship. we need someone who is good for america not good for israel.

Lionfish's photo
Sun 03/15/09 05:05 PM

most of them have dual american/israeli citizenship.


Hold it there! Dual citizens are an asset to America.

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 05:17 PM
not when dual citizenship is what makes up most of our government. you can't tell me that pelosi is really for america, and she's in a key postition. tell me how being dual israeli/american is good for america!

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Sun 03/15/09 05:59 PM
I find it fascinating how Zionism (originally) is pretty much supporting the idea of having the Jews to go and live in Israel.

Now, "Zionists" are blamed to cause problems with their relentless support of Israel and including lobbying at foreign policy.

Now, just let run the theory of having no more Zionism and suddenly Israel cease to exist, because all the people living there will return or go to another country, like USA or Europe or wherever they wish so.

Will you accept them?

Also don't forget, "Zionism" is a broad term. You can have various interest groups or individuals either supporting someone in Israel or themselves are from Israel and trying to influence and gather more supporters etc.

There can be individuals who call themselves "Zionists", having a family or someone living in Israel or simply just support the idea of a Jewish State.

Of course, there are also the "questionable" ones, like John Haage , the Evangelical pastor, who said, his reason to support Zionism to have the Jews return to Israel and then there will be a big Apocalypse happening and lot of people will die in Israel. Now, this guy is a maniac.

To tell you where I'm going to with all this, that having an "Anti-Zionist" party is really not the way to go to reduce foreign influence on a particular country.

Also, don't forget, not to identify the Israeli government or the Israeli Army vs. the people in Israel.
Otherwise others might say, that Americans are no different than G.W.Bush or would be just like those shameful soldiers who committed those horrible things at the Abu-Grahib prison.
And that's not the case, I know.

The real way to deal with this, would be to vote for such candidates or parliamentary representatives, or president who isn't so Zionist. It all depends on the people, really. If they have an issue with it, then the majority will vote the way they want to. As far as I know France still democratic + the EU so it really depends on the voting.

Same deal in USA. If people would be really concerned about having all the zionist reps and senators + the government, then it comes down to how the people will vote.
If the majority thinks, that zionism is bad, then it's time to vote for such reps and senators who aren't zionists.
And if the people don't think, that zionism is such a problem, then that's what we have to go by.
Both Obama and Hillary and McCain voiced and showed that they are Pro-Israel and support Zionism, everyone seen them on the presidential campaigns, heard their speeches, and there was enough time to make up your mind about it, and vote accordingly.


think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 06:11 PM
Edited by think2deep on Sun 03/15/09 06:15 PM
Also, don't forget, not to identify the Israeli government or the Israeli Army vs. the people in Israel.


you're right not everyone in israel is zionist. but the zionist agenda is a political agenda and isn't just about israel as a state. every other country that doesn't like us and hasn't liked us for years, hate us because of the zionists. even russia hates the zionists. the leaders of those countries sat they don't dislike americans, they dislike the zionists that rule us. the zionists cause more trouble for the sake of israel than it's worth. moosad did 9/11 to get us to fight the muslims. that isn't the first time they have done such a thing. they are too smart and powerful and they are just leading us around like a donkey with a nose ring. i don't like that. maybe some others do, but i don't. even biden is a zionist by the way

RWMountain's photo
Sun 03/15/09 07:35 PM
It seems that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as Israel is there and supported by other nations.

Mormons are, by many, considered Zionists. They sing about it, pray about it and have an article of faith (10) that predicts the gathering of the 10 tribes. They feel this will be an apocolyptic event that will allow them to build thier own "Zion" no less in Missouri, USA.

Here is the 10nth article of Faith:

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

Here is a comment from a Mormon poster, taken from Latter-day Commentary, that exemplifies one point of the memberships basic understanding of this subject.

"...when Jesus returns, the Mormon Church will become the government of the world ruling from the city of Zion, which will be somewhere in Missouri and Jesus will live in Jerusalem and be the religious leader of the world."

My conclusion of this is that "Zionists" are not all located in Israel and that if "Zionists" are a threat to a democracy, consider that when you vote for a Mormon candidate.

RW

Dragoness's photo
Sun 03/15/09 07:40 PM
As long as there is Christianity in all of the nations, Isreal will have allies. There is a strong connection between the two.

Centering or generalizing on one characterisitic or type of person or belief is a big problem. Not all of one kind of any religion, race, political belief, sexual orientation, economic status, etc.... can be include into one type of generalization. All humans are different.

Winx's photo
Sun 03/15/09 07:41 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 03/15/09 07:42 PM

It seems that there will never be peace in the Middle East as long as Israel is there and supported by other nations.

Mormons are, by many, considered Zionists. They sing about it, pray about it and have an article of faith (10) that predicts the gathering of the 10 tribes. They feel this will be an apocolyptic event that will allow them to build thier own "Zion" no less in Missouri, USA.

Here is the 10nth article of Faith:

We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.

Here is a comment from a Mormon poster, taken from Latter-day Commentary, that exemplifies one point of the memberships basic understanding of this subject.

"...when Jesus returns, the Mormon Church will become the government of the world ruling from the city of Zion, which will be somewhere in Missouri and Jesus will live in Jerusalem and be the religious leader of the world."

My conclusion of this is that "Zionists" are not all located in Israel and that if "Zionists" are a threat to a democracy, consider that when you vote for a Mormon candidate.

RW


Yes, they think it's somewhere in Missouri. I used to live near the area where they thought that Jesus will return. It's a town towards Kansas City, MO. I lived there in the 80's. They were buying alot of property. The college that I attended had Mormon teachers. There were many Mormon's living in the town. I had dinner at a Mormon friend's home. They had a barter system. The dentist would take care of one's teeth and the beautician would take care of the hair - no money, barter. I learned all about Jesus "returning" to that area.


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Sun 03/15/09 07:53 PM

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:01 PM
well, i don't know about that stuff, never heard of it. but the bible apparently talks about the third jewish temple. that's what they are after in israel. but the muslims wont let them have it because it is a muslim temple. that's why we are fighting the muslims, so they will give over the dome of the rock and the jews can build the third temple of solomon. and then their messiah will come back and rule the world in the manner of king david.

RWMountain's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:10 PM
Edited by RWMountain on Sun 03/15/09 08:14 PM
That must have been some experience Winx. Thanks for sharing it and validating this point of discussion.

I guess that when Missouri is the ruling capital of the world it wont all be bad as "traditional" marriage will be restored and I can legally have many wives. :smile:

RW

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:18 PM
ok, so do people not think that the fact that a new political party is starting,that maybe there is something a bit more to this? i mean jeesh, what does it take for society to realize certain things are happening? these days i guess it takes the situation to have gotten to them and by then it will have been too late.

Dragoness's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:21 PM

ok, so do people not think that the fact that a new political party is starting,that maybe there is something a bit more to this? i mean jeesh, what does it take for society to realize certain things are happening? these days i guess it takes the situation to have gotten to them and by then it will have been too late.


If the forming of a new political party meant that all things were true there would be whole lotta mess going on. Supremacist groups are political, conspiracy theorists are political, big business is political, Anti Americanism is political, Etc.....

think2deep's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:21 PM


ok, so do people not think that the fact that a new political party is starting,that maybe there is something a bit more to this? i mean jeesh, what does it take for society to realize certain things are happening? these days i guess it takes the situation to have gotten to them and by then it will have been too late.


If the forming of a new political party meant that all things were true there would be whole lotta mess going on. Supremacist groups are political, conspiracy theorists are political, big business is political, Anti Americanism is political, Etc.....


what are coincidence theorists?

Dragoness's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:32 PM



ok, so do people not think that the fact that a new political party is starting,that maybe there is something a bit more to this? i mean jeesh, what does it take for society to realize certain things are happening? these days i guess it takes the situation to have gotten to them and by then it will have been too late.


If the forming of a new political party meant that all things were true there would be whole lotta mess going on. Supremacist groups are political, conspiracy theorists are political, big business is political, Anti Americanism is political, Etc.....


what are coincidence theorists?


Most of them don't know ****, they are just guessing and hoping to hit with the odds against them.

CleanBathroom's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:35 PM
Allow me to clarify:

Zionists are not "haters." Zionists are factional people across national boundaries whose mission was to see that Israel was returned to the Jewish people. Now, since that has been accomplished, they simply stand as Israeli nationalists who seek to ensure that political conditions do not conspire to threaten Israel's independence as a Jewish state.

They do not "hate." They do not espouse a doctrine which demands the destruction of anyone or any thing. They fight those that "hate" and seek destruction of the Jewish state. In fact, many of them are for the creation of a Palestinian state as well, though that's not prevailing opinion.

Please, define how protecting what you consider your own is hate for me now, okay? Regardless of whether you believe Israel exists legally or was "stolen" via war, Zionism is not an ideology of hatred.

Oh, and thanks for the topic. drinker

Winx's photo
Sun 03/15/09 08:59 PM
Edited by Winx on Sun 03/15/09 08:59 PM

That must have been some experience Winx. Thanks for sharing it and validating this point of discussion.

I guess that when Missouri is the ruling capital of the world it wont all be bad as "traditional" marriage will be restored and I can legally have many wives. :smile:

RW


Thanks.flowerforyou It was educational for me.

I don't know about Missouri being the ruling capital of the world, though.laugh noway laugh Are you sure that you want to deal with that many wives.laugh



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