Topic: States telling Feds,“Don’t Tread on Me”
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Wed 03/11/09 12:22 PM
Where does right begin? Where does it end?

In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:23 PM


laugh laugh What planet is this happening on?laugh laugh


Not to worry. Non-binding resolutions. It's all just a dog and pony show.
laugh I knew it was some right wingnut crap showlaugh

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Wed 03/11/09 12:25 PM

Where does right begin? Where does it end?

In any State in which there is a bad organization of authority, an impersonality of laws and of the rulers who have lost their personality amid the flood of rights ever multiplying out of liberalism, I find a new right - to attack by the right of the strong, and to scatter to the winds all existing forces of order and regulation, to reconstruct all institutions and to become the sovereign lord of those who have left to us the rights of their power by laying them down voluntarily in their liberalism.


Funny. Our founders said the same thing.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


The only way to abolish this government would clearly be by force. As long as the government doesn't have the military on their side. We're grossly unarmed in the general populace to be going up against the military.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:25 PM



Well and considering that I would be forbidden from using mainstream media, who the right wingers have deemed the unforgiving word "liberal", I will just say look around you. It is obvious there are a certain element in this society who have such hatred and vengence in their hearts that they will forgo all caution in pursuit of their goal of complete and utter chaos as long as they can unseat what they consider to be abomination.

If you cannot see it, then I cannot help you.


I have it on good authority that most of them are loyal viewers of faux news. Just kidding. *runs*


Possibly:wink: laugh



:smile: Faux news basically brainwashes elderly and uneducated people that dont understand the world anymore.:smile:

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Wed 03/11/09 12:27 PM
A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:28 PM

A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.


Is it that? All this time I've been blaming a severe contagion of apathy and ignorance.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:30 PM
It is only with a despotic ruler that plans can be elaborated extensively and clearly in such a way as to distribute the whole properly among the several parts of the machinery of the State: from this the conclusion is inevitable that a satisfactory form of government for any country is one that concentrates in the hands of one responsible person. Without an absolute despotism there can be no existence for civilization which is carried on not by the masses but by their guide, whosoever that person may be. The mob is savage, and displays its savagery at every opportunity. The moment the mob seizes freedom in its hands it quickly turns to anarchy, which in itself is the highest degree of savagery.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:33 PM


A people left to itself, i.e., to upstarts from its midst, brings itself to ruin by party dissensions excited by the pursuit of power and honors and the disorders arising therefrom. Is it possible for the masses of the people calmly and without petty jealousies to form judgment, to deal with the affairs of the country, which cannot be mixed up with personal interest? Can they defend themselves from an external foe? It is unthinkable; for a plan broken up into as many parts as there are heads in the mob, loses all homogeneity, and thereby becomes unintelligible and impossible of execution.


Is it that? All this time I've been blaming a severe contagion of apathy and ignorance.


apathy and ignorance has helped to set the stage.

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Wed 03/11/09 12:35 PM
Our triumph has been rendered easier by the fact that in our relations with the men, whom we wanted, we have always worked upon the most sensitive chords of the human mind, upon the cash account, upon the cupidity, upon the insatiability for material needs of man; and each one of these human weaknesses, taken alone, is sufficient to paralyze initiative, for it hands over the will of men to the disposition of him who has bought their activities.

The abstraction of freedom has enabled us to persuade the mob in all countries that their government is nothing but the steward of the people who are the owners of the country, and that the steward may be replaced like a worn-out glove.

It is this possibility of replacing the representatives of the people which has placed at our disposal, and, as it were, given us the power of appointment.

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Wed 03/11/09 02:00 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/09/church.shooting/index.html?eref=ib_topstories

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Wed 03/11/09 02:06 PM
offtopic

Winx's photo
Wed 03/11/09 02:08 PM
noway It's about guns.

think2deep's photo
Wed 03/11/09 02:19 PM

noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.

Dragoness's photo
Wed 03/11/09 02:20 PM


noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.


But yet we discussed guns for a page or two.noway

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Wed 03/11/09 02:23 PM



noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.


But yet we discussed guns for a page or two.noway


her story was about a preacher that got shot, that should be its own thread.

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Wed 03/11/09 02:27 PM




noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.


But yet we discussed guns for a page or two.noway


her story was about a preacher that got shot, that should be its own thread.


Okay thread police. She was making a point of the gun violence someone asked me to verify earlier I am sure. Okay I don't know for sure because I haven't spoken with her but I saw it that way....lol

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Wed 03/11/09 02:27 PM



noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.


But someone was calling gun owners mental deficients for a page or two.noway


there.. fixed it..

think2deep's photo
Wed 03/11/09 02:32 PM




noway It's about guns.


this topic is about states declaring sovereignty not about guns.


But someone was calling gun owners mental deficients for a page or two.noway


then we should do away with guns altogether including the police and the military. some of these same people you speak of as crazies join these institutions every day.

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Wed 03/11/09 02:51 PM
The manipulated media, when there is a Right the Feds wants to abolish, shows all kinds of stories that would support the Fed in that attempt.
Get the Fed the HeII out of State Gov. I want my State to be able to tell Hussein, he can take his Communism back to DC and there won't be any need for his Martial Law here.

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Wed 03/11/09 02:53 PM

The manipulated media, when there is a Right the Feds wants to abolish, shows all kinds of stories that would support the Fed in that attempt.
Get the Fed the HeII out of State Gov. I want my State to be able to tell Hussein, he can take his Communism back to DC and there won't be any need for his Martial Law here.

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