Now I agree absolutely with that. I really do. I also think the gay community needs to sit down and decide how they want to portray themselves to the world. I used to stand and watch gay parades and think to myself. Never gonna happen people!!

You can't use the fringes of the movement to convince a concerned population to stand by you. Just my humble opinion but the peole that I have convinced are people that got to know me for the values I share with everyone else, not with the extremes in my community.

So I absolutely agree with you on this one Quiet..

Thanks..

Boy you got me thinking Quiet...

To add to that Quiet, I fully admit to anger myself though only ugly comments said to dismiss and demean.

But I think what if every day gays came out in number, and stood next to the extremes on the other side of this issue. I bet very much that the extremes in that community would convince straights to stand by gays.

It's the extreme anger and divisiveness that makes this whole thing as ugly as it is, even to me.

Plus as I have always thought you can't use open acts of sexuality to convince a nation that is still hung up about it's own sexuality in many ways. And in fact I think there would be far less sexually destructive behavior if we from the beginning had a more rational and holistic natural view of sexuality in both communities.

In both the straight and gay world we have demonized human sexuality since the beginning to try to control people, to the point that we have caused the excess appetites and exploitations that we have today. And greedy people have used our excesses and appetites to further their own agendas. Holiwood and the beauty industry helps to cause our kids to grow up at an alarming rate.

I identify as a gay woman but choose to be celibate so maybe I have no say in the matter, but I think that sexuality has been cheapened and degraded to the point that we have no respect for our own bodies or those of others. It's not homosexual marriage we should be arguing against, it's lack of respect for eachother as human beings, and we don't teach our children that thier bodies are not to be violated and we are not to violate anothers. The church has done a very poor job of defining sex let alone respect I am afraid and it continues to follow the same path which just makes things worse.

I wish we would stop blaming homosexuality for the ugly sexual things that are going on in both the straight and gay community's.

It's sad to me to see ever younger children prematurly preparing for adulthood sexuality that has been preverted by old thinking.

I don't know if all that made sense, but just a thought..

It made sense to me boo2u.

Religion making sex a sin unless the participants agree to their agenda... demonizing love among lovers... stigmatizing certain kinds of love that does not fit their pre-definition... is all a cause of the dysfunction in both heterosexual and same sex relationships.

In a mostly, although diminishing, Christian society, many people were taught that sex was a dirty sin.

When people in love share this joining of mind and body... nothing could be further from the truth.

RW

You meant to say "mob-rule versus non-discrimination and mob-rule won"?

Because a democracy that can vote out someone rights without the due process, is a mob rule.