Topic: Global Consciousness research.
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Tue 02/17/09 03:39 PM

http://www.skepticreport.com/pseudoscience/radin2002.htm

by Claus Larsen

I spent one of the last evenings of September 2002 attending a lecture by Dean Radin, author of "The Conscious Universe", on the Upper East Side, Manhattan. Radin told about the Global Consciousness Project, which is described as:

"a world-spanning network of devices sensitive to coherence and resonance in the mental domain. Continuous streams of data are sent over the internet to be archived and correlated with events that may evoke a world-wide consciousness. Examples that appear to have done so include both peaceful gatherings and disasters: a few minutes around midnight on any New Years Eve, the first hour of NATO bombing in Yugoslavia, the Papal visit to Israel, a variety of global meditations, several major earthquakes, and now September 11."
Global Consciousness Project

Around the world, random number generators ("eggs") are producing a random string of one's and zero's, which are then recorded for later analysis. The theory is that a "global consciousness" can influence this random string of one's and zero's.

O.J.: A global event?

Radin gave several examples of how GCP had detected "global consciousness". One was the day O.J. Simpson was acquitted of double-murder. We were shown a graph where - no doubt about that - the data formed a nice ascending curve in the minutes after the pre-show started, with cameras basically waiting for the verdict to be read. And yes, there was a nice, ascending curve in the minutes after the verdict was read.

However, about half an hour before the verdict, there was a similar curve ascending for no apparent reason. Radin's quick explanation before moving on to the next slide?

"I don't know what happened there."

It was not to be the last time we heard that answer.

September 11th: A study in wishful thinking.

It was obvious that the terror attacks of that day should make a pretty good case for Global Consciousness (GC). On the surface, it did. There seemed to be a very pronounced effect on that day and in the time right after.

There were, however, several problems. The most obvious was that the changes began at 6:40am ET, when the attacks hadn't started yet. It can of course be argued when the attacks "started", but if the theory is based on a lot of people "focusing" on the same thing, the theory falls flat - at 6:40am, only the attackers knew about the upcoming event. Not even the CIA knew. Hardly enough to justify a "global" consciousness.

This was explained as precognition: Tests have indicated that a person can anticipate whether the picture on a monitor will be "positive" or "negative", e.g. a cute little bunny or a snake ready to bite. Radin did acknowledge that people react differently to pictures of this kind (he used the example of Jimmy Carter who was once attacked by a huge bunny and the herpetologist who would think the snake was "cute"), but the results do show that people react a little before the picture pops up. However, since these tests are done with the pictures popping up at regular intervals, it isn't hard to imagine that people learn very fast to count the seconds until the next picture is visible.

These tests looked at people's physical reactions. Unfortunately, there are no records of people being specifically "jumpy" during the two hours before the attacks. The level of surprise speaks its clear language. Nobody saw this coming.

It was not explained why there were no signs of this precognition in the other examples.

Another serious problem with the September 11 result was that during the days before the attacks, there were several instances of the eggs picking up data that showed the same fluctuation as on September 11th. When I asked Radin what had happened on those days, the answer was:

"I don't know."

I then asked him - and I'll admit that I was a bit flabbergasted - why on earth he hadn't gone back to see if similar "global events" had happened there since he got the same fluctuations. He answered that it would be "shoe-horning" - fitting the data to the result.

Checking your hypothesis against seemingly contradictory data is "shoe-horning"?

For once, I was speechless.

The Maharishi (Non)Effect

Radin then brought up the (in)famous 1993 experiment in Washington, DC.

"In 1993, there was a high profile demonstration of the Maharishi Effect in Washington D.C. A 27 member independent scientific review board included representatives from the Police and Washington universities. Predictions of reduced violent crime, improved quality of life, and higher approval ratings for government were lodged in advance with the review board. The predictions were supported during the assembly attended by 4000 TM-Sidhi participants. There was a 24% reduction in violent crime during the six week period of the assembly compared to the trend predicted by time-series analysis of preceding data."
Natural Law Party Fact Sheet

Radin showed a graph which - again on the surface - showed that there indeed was a drop in violent crime during the period where the participants thought about peace.

One thing immediately caught my attention, but somebody else beat me to it: Some days before the experiment, there was a similar drop in crime, which looked percentage-wise about the same. When asked about what caused this drop, Radin answered:

"I don't know."

Spotting a pattern here, I called Radin on his methods of research: How could he say that the later drop in violent crime was caused by the Maharishi Effect, when he didn't go back and check what caused the previous drop?

His answer: "This was a planned experiment."

When I then pointed out that September 11th was not exactly a planned experiment, he went back to his previous stance: That it would be shoe-horning, etc., etc.

I asked him if he did go back and could not find anything that would qualify as a global event on those days that had the same fluctuation as his examples, wouldn't that show the theory false?

His answer?

"Not necessarily."

I don't think he appreciated it when I used the phrase "You are selecting your data". It was the only time his brow was furrowed.

I dropped it there and then. It was clear that Radin was selecting his data. He did not seek out alternative explanations for his theories. Shoe-horning indeed.

Regarding the Maharishi experiment, it should be mentioned that even though there did seem to be a drop in violent crime during the experiment, the data are flawed. Robert Park describes the event in his book, "Voodoo Science":

"The weeks that followed seemed like something out of an old mad-scientist movie - an experiment that had gone horribly wrong. Each Monday morning, the Washington Post would tally the gruesome weekend slayings in the city. Participants in the project seemed serenely unaware of the mounting carnage around them as they sat cross-legged in groups throughout the city, eyes closed, peacefully repeating their mantras. The murder rate for those two months reached a level unmatched before or since.

At the end of the demonstration period, Hagelin, smiling his unworldly smile, acknowledged that murders were indeed up "due to the unusually high temperatures," but "brutal crime" was down. One could only imagine that the murders were being committed more humanely - perhaps a clean shot between the eyes rather than a bludgeoning.

Over the coming year, Hagelin promised, the results would be carefully analyzed according to strict scientific standards. As promised, Hagelin was back a year later with a fifty-five-page report of the results of the project. It was a clinic in data distortion. A beaming Hagelin announced at a press conference that, during the period of the experiment, violent crime had been reduced by a remarkable 18 percent. "An eighteen-percent reduction compared to what?" a puzzled reporter for the Washington Post asked, recalling the dreadful murder rampage of the summer of '93. Compared to what it would have been if the meditators had not been meditating, Hagelin explained patiently. "But how could you know what the rate would have been?" the reporter persisted. That had been arrived at, Hagelin responded with just a trace of irritation, by means of a "scientifically rigorous time-series analysis" that included not only crime data but such factors as weather and fluctuations in Earth's magnetic field."
Source: Robert Park, Voodoo Science, p. 29.

Bad, bad science!

The rest of the lecture was the same old rant against "established" science. Radin could not abstain from several jabs at the "established" scientific community: We got the well-known swill that scientists are afraid to think outside the box, that the results were ignored, we are on the threshold of a new era, blah, blah, blah.

Radin is right in as much as the scientific communities being somewhat conservative. He completely ignores that especially young scientists, eager to make their mark, would be thrilled to do this kind of research - just think of the funding, fame and glory, should they be able to prove anything paranormal!

Alas, such fame and glory only comes with the existence of real results. So far, we have seen none.

It should be said that Radin himself admits that none of all this is proof of a Global Consciousness. He calls it "indication".

Roger Nelson, Director of the GCP also admits that no proof has been found:

"I want to acknowledge that I like the notion of Global Consciousness, but that this idea is really an aesthetic speculation. I don't think we have real grounds to claim that the statistics and graphs representing the data prove the existence of a global consciousness. On the other hand, we do have strong evidence of anomalous structure in what should be random data, and clear correlations of these unexplained departures from expectation with well-defined events that are of special importance to people. The events share a common feature, namely, that they engage our attention, and draw us into a common focus."
Global Consciousness Project

Postlude

My overall impression of Radin is that he is sincere, albeit way too much infatuated with his theories. He clearly selects his data and is not all that interested in ways of falsifying his theories.

While it is humanly understandable, it is scientifically unacceptable.

Is something happening? If we can refrain from equating "anomalies" with "psi", it does seem that something is going on. Whether it is flawed research or a real phenomenon is still out. But when we take into account that Radin and GCP are not all that eager to falsify their own theories (as well as quoting Sagan and Hyman out of context to support their own agenda when in fact neither do!), it is very hard for me to accept that a real phenomenon is happening.

But, hey, I could be wrong!

This article has also appeared on New York Area Skeptics.

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Wed 02/18/09 07:57 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 02/18/09 07:59 AM
What interests me most is regardless of whether this is true now, it is possible for it to be true in the future.

I would be interested in what some of the proponents of a psychic medium think about this idea of global consciousness, or perhaps interconnectedness.

Perhaps just as the article indicates we do not have solid research now . . . maybe someone will find some good evidence, or maybe we will create our own global consciousness with technology.

Is the internet at least not a global interconnectedness on an elementary level?

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Wed 02/18/09 09:49 AM
Respected quantuam physists have even more exotic explantations for their theories, I dont think its the job of the scientist to refute his own theories, thats anyones job who takes an interest. Qauntum physists would at least admit its possible. I dont know the experiment, but their could be possible explanations for any posistive results, if their were any, the experiemnet was poorly concieved.

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Wed 02/18/09 01:07 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 02/18/09 01:15 PM

Respected quantuam physists have even more exotic explantations for their theories, I dont think its the job of the scientist to refute his own theories, thats anyones job who takes an interest. Qauntum physists would at least admit its possible. I dont know the experiment, but their could be possible explanations for any posistive results, if their were any, the experiemnet was poorly concieved.
Actually it is the job of the scientist to refute his own theories. That is how most if not all possible counter arguments are dealt with before publication, this is the process of peer review, however Prior to peer review you must self dissect your theory to have a chance in hell of getting published, and past the PR process.

Essentially in this particular article it comes down to sloppy research. No one is going to take you serious long enough to even refute your research if it was poorly done from the get go.

The thing about QM is that its a 100 year old theory and here is the kicker, it works. It works so well in calculations that if the accuracy of a QM calculation where the width of the USA then the accuracy would be within the width of a human hair.

This allows us to then take the weirdness of QM which cannot be explained and say well, since QM works so well we know it must be as true as it is accurate, and thus can come up with tons of weird explanations, this in no way makes those best guess explanations scientific, it does make for good sci fi and great conversation. Perhaps even avenues for further research, but then the same standards would apply.

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Thu 02/19/09 04:41 AM
I was saying that his theory is val;id to him, it is your choice to dispute it or not.

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Thu 02/19/09 10:43 AM

I was saying that his theory is val;id to him, it is your choice to dispute it or not.
Its not a matter of disputing it, its a matter of acknowledging it as proper research.

Many people harp on science as a whole for not focusing on research such as this, but fail to understand what it takes to follow through with the proper due diligence and validate your research. Evidence and proper research will bring the scientific community like flies to a picnic if it has merit, it will also be ignored if its sloppy.

That is MY point.

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Fri 02/20/09 02:46 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 02/20/09 02:47 PM
I agree with Billy on this one. Hadin should have been anxious to check for other world events to see what may have caused the same readings similar to the ones before 9-11.

I would have taken it even further and, if possible, continue to take readings and checking for world events over time for a consistent pattern before even talking about it.

On the reduction in crime, he should have had accurate records for the normal crime rates over the past few years, having analyzed them all for any fluctuations or spikes and the cause of such fluctuations and spikes before stating that their meditation reduced violent crimes by 18% of what it should have been. If they did not have these records, that statement is meaningless. Maybe violent crimes normally fluctuate by 18-20% over certain time periods and holidays and weather conditions.




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Fri 02/20/09 02:48 PM
yep....i'm lost
I'll just sit here and watch

Atlantis75's photo
Fri 02/20/09 04:10 PM

yep....i'm lost
I'll just sit here and watch
drinker

so..what was the question again? :tongue:

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Fri 02/20/09 04:13 PM


yep....i'm lost
I'll just sit here and watch
drinker

so..what was the question again? :tongue:


I think it had to do with a platypus

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Sat 02/21/09 10:34 AM

yep....i'm lost
I'll just sit here and watch


To summarize:

The post was an example of how some so-called scientists or researchers fail to falsify their claims. He only considered his own evidence and data to favor his personal theory, and refused to look at other alternatives or at the whole picture. His findings were insufficient to make the conclusion he made, which destroys his credibility even if he is correct.

This guy made assumptions based on his research and failed to look beyond that at other causes.

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Sat 02/21/09 01:10 PM


yep....i'm lost
I'll just sit here and watch


To summarize:

The post was an example of how some so-called scientists or researchers fail to falsify their claims. He only considered his own evidence and data to favor his personal theory, and refused to look at other alternatives or at the whole picture. His findings were insufficient to make the conclusion he made, which destroys his credibility even if he is correct.

This guy made assumptions based on his research and failed to look beyond that at other causes.



:thumbsup: ty JB

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Sat 02/21/09 01:18 PM
Platypus are people too...

tiny little doe eyed, gentle timid sweet things.... gently meandering around fresh water creeks and billabongs... no bigger than a small rabbit...happy little critters they are.

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Sat 02/21/09 01:20 PM

Platypus are people too...

tiny little doe eyed, gentle timid sweet things.... gently meandering around fresh water creeks and billabongs... no bigger than a small rabbit...happy little critters they are.


people too???? i thought they were a combo of beaver and duck....when did a person come in??? laugh

offtopic sorry Bush...i'll stop being silly embarassed

I'll be good :angel:

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Sun 02/22/09 08:52 PM
"I would be interested in what some of the proponents of a psychic medium think about this idea of global consciousness, or perhaps interconnectedness.

Perhaps just as the article indicates we do not have solid research now . . . maybe someone will find some good evidence, or maybe we will create our own global consciousness with technology.

Is the internet at least not a global interconnectedness on an elementary level? "
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Wed 02/18/09 07:59 AM


I figured that since nobody else on this thread seems to be on the topic of answering this post, I would give it a shot.

I need a little help though, what do you mean by "proponents of a psychic medium?" You mean like followers of a palm reader or something related, or just people who are interested in occult philosophy? If so, I wonder why you single out such a small group of people for a pool of opinions on a fairly large metaphysical topic like global consciousness. That is your own initiative and I won't knock you for it, but it is rather curious.

I have been studying occult philosophy and science for over 6 years now and done quite a bit of philosophical research in the area over that time. My work is not finished yet, but a large portion of my study has been devoted to this idea of a global or universal unconscious. Different way of wording the same thing, do not get hung up on the conscious/unconscious thing, the difference is pretty insignificant in the scope of this thread.

Definitions:

Interconnectedness is easy, read a book on chaos theory. Everything is connected to everything through action/reaction, electromagnetic radiation and response, etc. If somebody farts in china, it is going to have some tiny effect on the entire world the next day. Can't be avoided. The classic example is the effects of a wind disturbance caused by a mosquitoe in Africa that later contributes to the formation of a hurricane in the Carribean. Everything is interconnected in some way and this isn't much cause for concern unless you try to read too much into it.

Global consciousness on the other hand is a bit more tricky. The basic idea is that we know everything on earth is very easily interconnected, and that the lines which connect everything are complex, dynamic, and self sustaining, just like the arrangement of cells and nerves in our bodies. If our nervous system is responsible for our consciousness, is it possible for other complex systems with the same sort of network setup to also be conscious? That is the question. Personally, I believe that it is not only possible but it happens at every level, meeting with a few other philophers on this point, and that each country may have it's own consciousness. Each species. Each ecosystem. And one for the whole planet, just depends on where you choose to draw the line. Isolating the smaller ones is often difficult because they are connected to others around them, but the global consciousness is easy to visualize, comparatively.

Answers?
So to your first question about the internet forming a consciousness... Definitely plausable, but usually not a lot of credit is given to such systems. I would say that the neccessary elements are there though, so who knows?

Solid research? Hehehehehehe. Scientists are funny sometimes. They said they have some kind of RNGs spread out all over the globe and looking for when they are not being random??? My side is about to start hurting from holding in my laughter. Sounds like someone got carried away with a Douglas Adams book. First point, randomness is impossible. As of right now this is just my opinion because I haven't published the book yet, but I have a rather long proof as to why you can either have logic or alow randomness, but you can't have both, so no serious theory can be made on the basis of randomness to begin with and there is no way to quantify whether datastreams are behaving "randomly" or not. Its not as simple as seeing a bunch of ones pop up in a row and saying "oh look, it's not random anymore." Talking about seeing anomolous data in a random number stream is useless. Its all anomolous.

Next Point, if you want to show evidence of a global consciousness first you have to figure out a way to show evidence of any kind of consciousness. There is no test that I know of or have ever heard about that can tell you if a certain specimen has a conscience. Figure out a way to demonstrate it with a human brain first, then carry your experiment over to the global level.

Just my two coppers

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Mon 02/23/09 02:31 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 02/23/09 02:36 PM
I think a kind of group consciousness forms when energy and information is exchanged, especially knowledge and ideas.

Three people get together to form a business and together, the three of them form what I call a group consciousness.

In the real world, they form a corporation and that corporation becomes a separate entity. In the mind world, they form a group consciousness and that group consciousness becomes an entity. That entity operates drawing from three minds.

What three people can come up with as a team is likely to be more creative and energetic than what one person alone can come up with.

Corporations call it 'brainstorming.' It really works. Ideas come to us from seeing what others are doing and thinking.

Whether any of this information is exchanged via hidden paranormal means cannot be proven, but I would not rule it out.

But as the world gets smaller, we communicate more. Families and groups can stay in constant contact with their I-phones and Internet.

When was the last time you sat down and wrote a letter with your own hand and mailed it to someone?

I can't remember.

Humans are not as a general rule, telepathically connected enough a this point to share information, but perhaps energy is shared that they are not aware of.


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Mon 02/23/09 07:10 PM

I think a kind of group consciousness forms when energy and information is exchanged, especially knowledge and ideas.

Three people get together to form a business and together, the three of them form what I call a group consciousness.

In the real world, they form a corporation and that corporation becomes a separate entity. In the mind world, they form a group consciousness and that group consciousness becomes an entity. That entity operates drawing from three minds.

What three people can come up with as a team is likely to be more creative and energetic than what one person alone can come up with.

Corporations call it 'brainstorming.' It really works. Ideas come to us from seeing what others are doing and thinking.

Whether any of this information is exchanged via hidden paranormal means cannot be proven, but I would not rule it out.

But as the world gets smaller, we communicate more. Families and groups can stay in constant contact with their I-phones and Internet.

When was the last time you sat down and wrote a letter with your own hand and mailed it to someone?

I can't remember.

Humans are not as a general rule, telepathically connected enough a this point to share information, but perhaps energy is shared that they are not aware of.


Very interesting post JB, and that was kind of where I was going with the idea of the internet as a global consciousness . . . not that the internet is conscious . . haha no. But that through the internet, our individual consciousnesses to communicate and allow each of us to act like the individual processing centers of the human brain, each can do certain tasks, but the combined effort allows for a greater awareness.

Interesting points Geckgo.

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Mon 02/23/09 10:26 PM
Edited by Geckgo on Mon 02/23/09 10:32 PM
JB, good call. Been so muddled in theory around this topic that I guess I lost sight of the other side of it.

I wanted to share also a story I was once told. Sorry I don't have a reference but it is from a scholarly friend who usually does his homework on such things.

Some monkeys living on an island somehow had their environment tainted by interference from humans, and rather than letting them die off, every so often a drop is made on the island as a large package of oranges to give the apes food. The oranges land on the beach and get covered with sand. Researchers on the island noticed that a single female would take her oranges to a nearby stream to rinse the sand off and was ostricised by the other apes for doing it. Later she had offspring and taught them to do the same, and the other young apes were also learning to do it from her offspring. When enough apes had adopted the behaviour, something strange happened. All of the apes on the island started washing their fruit one morning and had accepted the habbit. Now for the weird part...

That same day, on a nearby island with no direct contact to the first whatsoever, and too far away to swim or communicate, apes started washing their fruit as well. It seems that something happened in that species that has not been explained scientifically yet and remains a mystery.

It is called the theory of the 100th monkey. Story is probably a little varied now from oral communication, but there should be some documentation out there if you do a google search. Weird.


Just looked into it,,, from wiki :

An analysis of the appropriate literature by Ron Amundson, published by the Skeptics Society, revealed several key points that demystified the supposed effect.

Unsubstantiated claims that there was a sudden and remarkable increase in the proportion of washers in the first population were exaggerations of a much slower, more mundane effect. Rather than all monkeys mysteriously learning the skill it was noted that it was predominantly younger monkeys that learned the skill from the older monkeys through the usual means of imitation; older monkeys who did not know how to wash tended not to learn. As the older monkeys died and younger monkeys were born the proportion of washers naturally increased. The time span between observations were in the order of years.

Claims that the practice spread suddenly to other isolated populations of monkeys ignore the fact that at least one washing monkey swam to another population and spent about four years there.[citation needed] It is also to be noted that the sweet potato was not available to the monkeys prior to human intervention: it is not at all surprising that isolated populations of monkeys started to wash potatoes in a similar time frame once they were made available.



Still pretty neat though about how a new idea spreads. The original story is from 1975 though so everyone has had a chance to make their own spin on it.