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Topic: Homeowners' rallying cry: Produce the note
yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 08:51 AM

Yellowrose on that point - when the notes are sold and resold by banks and/or lending institutions, does all that exchanging of owners affect the value?


honestly I'm not sure. I believe it does....if they sell it at a different interest rate...doesn't that make the amount of time to pay it off increase?

franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 08:59 AM


Yellowrose on that point - when the notes are sold and resold by banks and/or lending institutions, does all that exchanging of owners affect the value?


honestly I'm not sure. I believe it does....if they sell it at a different interest rate...doesn't that make the amount of time to pay it off increase?


no clue, which is why I am full of questions laugh

Makes sense that the loan amount (prin) remains the same, but as I am sure that the banks and lending institutions all want to make a penny (nothing for free), wondering how it works??? anyone?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:00 AM
They are used as collateral on a loan. The bank seeking the loan actually receives less than the value of the mortgage. It does not change the value as far as the homeowner is concerned. It just changes who receives their payment.

franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:12 AM

They are used as collateral on a loan. The bank seeking the loan actually receives less than the value of the mortgage. It does not change the value as far as the homeowner is concerned. It just changes who receives their payment.


understandably the homeowner is not affected, however how do the banks and lending inst make their monies? doubt they buy and sell at same price? what dictates what they sell it for?


davidben1's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:17 AM


HELL NO!!!

i don't believe in seperating words into categories AT ALL!!!

you told people to "PLAY NICE"???

how does one tell other GROWN UPS TO PLAY NICE???
rather simply, play nice laugh

is that NOT RELGIOUS PERPECTION, THAT THINK SELF IS THE "GUIDE OF WHAT IS HOLY OR GOOD OR NICE???
I am nice and good now not sure I'd say I was holy but I am god-like. laugh

is it not the very "playing nice" "FEELINGS", that CAUSE MANY HOMEWONERS TO NOT SEE WHAT YOU POST ABOUT???
wouldn't know is that how you felt? is that what prompted you to reply?

you fight for JUSTICE, but see not that "PLAYING NICE" CAN NEVER FIND JUSTICE???
yay you make me sound like super hero :banana:

David, I truly believe, there are so many roads to take to achieve a goal. I just happen to take the 'play nice' road but rest assured I do make the goal :wink:




the goal or motive OF THE POST, is the greatest essence of the topic, and the reason for the post was it not???

it was assumed that was to "help other's"???

to look thru "nice eye's", make one see only "nice words", and if one see only "nice words", this easily make one see not what is hidden in broad daylight???

this INDEED HIDE THE SIMPLE, and indeed hide the very reason WHY anything first did not "think" to ask the simple, to SEE THE DOCUMENTS OF INDEBTEDNESS???

to tell of what is good is good, but it is for more profit to look to see what FIRST CREATED NO LOOKING FOR WHAT WAS MORE GOOD???

"WHAT KEEP ONE" FROM ALWAYS SEEING WHAT IS MOST GOOD FOR ITSELF IS OF THE ONE MOST GOOD GOAL!!!

to change one thing with a "solution" for ONE THING, is good, but it cannot solve MANY THINGS???

to tell of what BLOCK SIGHT TO ALL SOLUTIONS, be what can solve many things, even in time, ALL THINGS???

if this is not the very FIRST GOAL, then many goals cannot be achieved, AND MANY ROADS LEAD TO BLINDNESS, BUT ONLY ONE ROAD LEAD TO SEEING WHAT FIRST CREATE BLINDNESS OF THE SIMPLE???

if one does not prove how all other words MAY BE TRUE, then soon one prove how all words may not be true, and if anything prove how all words may not be true, then soon one see not what is most true???


Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:20 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 02/18/09 09:22 AM
The bank who gets the mortgage, charges an interest, plus they collect your payment. (I think)
Its very lucrative for them until the homeowner cant pay their mortgage. (outsourced jobs, etc.)
That's when they lose...
Esp when they cant find anyone else to sell the mortgage to.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:26 AM
If the second Bank, who now owns your loan needs cash, they simply trade your mortgage again.

It's all a big juggling act.

Shhhh, dont tell driven,,,,

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:28 AM
The thing really killing our economy is globalization.
We cant keep outsourcing our jobs.

yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:28 AM
too much for me...i'm going to live in a cave

Fanta46's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:30 AM
IMO, a foreign entity should not be allowed to own America's mortgages.
But they do.......

franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:32 AM



HELL NO!!!

i don't believe in seperating words into categories AT ALL!!!

you told people to "PLAY NICE"???

how does one tell other GROWN UPS TO PLAY NICE???
rather simply, play nice laugh

is that NOT RELGIOUS PERPECTION, THAT THINK SELF IS THE "GUIDE OF WHAT IS HOLY OR GOOD OR NICE???
I am nice and good now not sure I'd say I was holy but I am god-like. laugh

is it not the very "playing nice" "FEELINGS", that CAUSE MANY HOMEWONERS TO NOT SEE WHAT YOU POST ABOUT???
wouldn't know is that how you felt? is that what prompted you to reply?

you fight for JUSTICE, but see not that "PLAYING NICE" CAN NEVER FIND JUSTICE???
yay you make me sound like super hero :banana:

David, I truly believe, there are so many roads to take to achieve a goal. I just happen to take the 'play nice' road but rest assured I do make the goal :wink:




the goal or motive OF THE POST, is the greatest essence of the topic, and the reason for the post was it not???

it was assumed that was to "help other's"???

to look thru "nice eye's", make one see only "nice words", and if one see only "nice words", this easily make one see not what is hidden in broad daylight???

this INDEED HIDE THE SIMPLE, and indeed hide the very reason WHY anything first did not "think" to ask the simple, to SEE THE DOCUMENTS OF INDEBTEDNESS???

to tell of what is good is good, but it is for more profit to look to see what FIRST CREATED NO LOOKING FOR WHAT WAS MORE GOOD???

"WHAT KEEP ONE" FROM ALWAYS SEEING WHAT IS MOST GOOD FOR ITSELF IS OF THE ONE MOST GOOD GOAL!!!

to change one thing with a "solution" for ONE THING, is good, but it cannot solve MANY THINGS???

to tell of what BLOCK SIGHT TO ALL SOLUTIONS, be what can solve many things, even in time, ALL THINGS???

if this is not the very FIRST GOAL, then many goals cannot be achieved, AND MANY ROADS LEAD TO BLINDNESS, BUT ONLY ONE ROAD LEAD TO SEEING WHAT FIRST CREATE BLINDNESS OF THE SIMPLE???

if one does not prove how all other words MAY BE TRUE, then soon one prove how all words may not be true, and if anything prove how all words may not be true, then soon one see not what is most true???




David, relax / play nice laugh
Fanta and Yellowrose got it as intended - but you want to make a case for what? play nice laugh

what is your purpose? to provide / to gain / what is your purpose? What solution do ye seek? what problem would ye like help with? what is it that you seek? what is it that you share? one seeks what one thinks one does not have, what one thinks one should have etc??? I too can speak in tongue :thumbsup:

If anyone has a question about my motives, feel free to ask outright. For life is not as difficult as many play it out to be. I play nice :banana: and have a ball playing nice.

My intention was to supply information - up to you and everyone else what to do with it.

No hidden agendas, no hidden reasons, just to supply information, if it can be helpful to you as a reader (yayyyyyy) if not (sorry I tried).


franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 09:34 AM

If the second Bank, who now owns your loan needs cash, they simply trade your mortgage again.

It's all a big juggling act.

Shhhh, dont tell driven,,,,


flowerforyou gotcha

davidben1's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:01 AM




HELL NO!!!

i don't believe in seperating words into categories AT ALL!!!

you told people to "PLAY NICE"???

how does one tell other GROWN UPS TO PLAY NICE???
rather simply, play nice laugh

is that NOT RELGIOUS PERPECTION, THAT THINK SELF IS THE "GUIDE OF WHAT IS HOLY OR GOOD OR NICE???
I am nice and good now not sure I'd say I was holy but I am god-like. laugh

is it not the very "playing nice" "FEELINGS", that CAUSE MANY HOMEWONERS TO NOT SEE WHAT YOU POST ABOUT???
wouldn't know is that how you felt? is that what prompted you to reply?

you fight for JUSTICE, but see not that "PLAYING NICE" CAN NEVER FIND JUSTICE???
yay you make me sound like super hero :banana:

David, I truly believe, there are so many roads to take to achieve a goal. I just happen to take the 'play nice' road but rest assured I do make the goal :wink:




the goal or motive OF THE POST, is the greatest essence of the topic, and the reason for the post was it not???

it was assumed that was to "help other's"???

to look thru "nice eye's", make one see only "nice words", and if one see only "nice words", this easily make one see not what is hidden in broad daylight???

this INDEED HIDE THE SIMPLE, and indeed hide the very reason WHY anything first did not "think" to ask the simple, to SEE THE DOCUMENTS OF INDEBTEDNESS???

to tell of what is good is good, but it is for more profit to look to see what FIRST CREATED NO LOOKING FOR WHAT WAS MORE GOOD???

"WHAT KEEP ONE" FROM ALWAYS SEEING WHAT IS MOST GOOD FOR ITSELF IS OF THE ONE MOST GOOD GOAL!!!

to change one thing with a "solution" for ONE THING, is good, but it cannot solve MANY THINGS???

to tell of what BLOCK SIGHT TO ALL SOLUTIONS, be what can solve many things, even in time, ALL THINGS???

if this is not the very FIRST GOAL, then many goals cannot be achieved, AND MANY ROADS LEAD TO BLINDNESS, BUT ONLY ONE ROAD LEAD TO SEEING WHAT FIRST CREATE BLINDNESS OF THE SIMPLE???

if one does not prove how all other words MAY BE TRUE, then soon one prove how all words may not be true, and if anything prove how all words may not be true, then soon one see not what is most true???




David, relax / play nice laugh
Fanta and Yellowrose got it as intended - but you want to make a case for what? play nice laugh

what is your purpose? to provide / to gain / what is your purpose? What solution do ye seek? what problem would ye like help with? what is it that you seek? what is it that you share? one seeks what one thinks one does not have, what one thinks one should have etc??? I too can speak in tongue :thumbsup:

If anyone has a question about my motives, feel free to ask outright. For life is not as difficult as many play it out to be. I play nice :banana: and have a ball playing nice.

My intention was to supply information - up to you and everyone else what to do with it.

No hidden agendas, no hidden reasons, just to supply information, if it can be helpful to you as a reader (yayyyyyy) if not (sorry I tried).




take all you just wrote and apply it to your thinking of what i wrote as well, lol....

the most point???

"playing nice" is a deception of the mind, that create eye's blinded to SEEING "what is creating less good all around", WHILE SELF IS BUSY LOVING and professing IT'S OWN KINDNESS, and this is evidenced it is worhsipped within self, by SELF PREACHING KINDNESS!!!

the same as to say, TO SAY TO BE KIND, SHOE SELF THINK WITH "BIAS" THAT KINDNESS IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER EMTOIONS???

IF THERE IS LACK OF KINDNESS, THEN IT BE FOR A DAMN GOOD REASON!!!

each word out of the mouth tell who and what self is and what shall become as reality???






franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:10 AM





HELL NO!!!

i don't believe in seperating words into categories AT ALL!!!

you told people to "PLAY NICE"???

how does one tell other GROWN UPS TO PLAY NICE???
rather simply, play nice laugh

is that NOT RELGIOUS PERPECTION, THAT THINK SELF IS THE "GUIDE OF WHAT IS HOLY OR GOOD OR NICE???
I am nice and good now not sure I'd say I was holy but I am god-like. laugh

is it not the very "playing nice" "FEELINGS", that CAUSE MANY HOMEWONERS TO NOT SEE WHAT YOU POST ABOUT???
wouldn't know is that how you felt? is that what prompted you to reply?

you fight for JUSTICE, but see not that "PLAYING NICE" CAN NEVER FIND JUSTICE???
yay you make me sound like super hero :banana:

David, I truly believe, there are so many roads to take to achieve a goal. I just happen to take the 'play nice' road but rest assured I do make the goal :wink:




the goal or motive OF THE POST, is the greatest essence of the topic, and the reason for the post was it not???

it was assumed that was to "help other's"???

to look thru "nice eye's", make one see only "nice words", and if one see only "nice words", this easily make one see not what is hidden in broad daylight???

this INDEED HIDE THE SIMPLE, and indeed hide the very reason WHY anything first did not "think" to ask the simple, to SEE THE DOCUMENTS OF INDEBTEDNESS???

to tell of what is good is good, but it is for more profit to look to see what FIRST CREATED NO LOOKING FOR WHAT WAS MORE GOOD???

"WHAT KEEP ONE" FROM ALWAYS SEEING WHAT IS MOST GOOD FOR ITSELF IS OF THE ONE MOST GOOD GOAL!!!

to change one thing with a "solution" for ONE THING, is good, but it cannot solve MANY THINGS???

to tell of what BLOCK SIGHT TO ALL SOLUTIONS, be what can solve many things, even in time, ALL THINGS???

if this is not the very FIRST GOAL, then many goals cannot be achieved, AND MANY ROADS LEAD TO BLINDNESS, BUT ONLY ONE ROAD LEAD TO SEEING WHAT FIRST CREATE BLINDNESS OF THE SIMPLE???

if one does not prove how all other words MAY BE TRUE, then soon one prove how all words may not be true, and if anything prove how all words may not be true, then soon one see not what is most true???




David, relax / play nice laugh
Fanta and Yellowrose got it as intended - but you want to make a case for what? play nice laugh

what is your purpose? to provide / to gain / what is your purpose? What solution do ye seek? what problem would ye like help with? what is it that you seek? what is it that you share? one seeks what one thinks one does not have, what one thinks one should have etc??? I too can speak in tongue :thumbsup:

If anyone has a question about my motives, feel free to ask outright. For life is not as difficult as many play it out to be. I play nice :banana: and have a ball playing nice.

My intention was to supply information - up to you and everyone else what to do with it.

No hidden agendas, no hidden reasons, just to supply information, if it can be helpful to you as a reader (yayyyyyy) if not (sorry I tried).




take all you just wrote and apply it to your thinking of what i wrote as well, lol....

the most point???

"playing nice" is a deception of the mind, that create eye's blinded to SEEING "what is creating less good all around", WHILE SELF IS BUSY LOVING and professing IT'S OWN KINDNESS, and this is evidenced it is worhsipped within self, by SELF PREACHING KINDNESS!!!

the same as to say, TO SAY TO BE KIND, SHOE SELF THINK WITH "BIAS" THAT KINDNESS IS BETTER THAN ALL OTHER EMTOIONS???

IF THERE IS LACK OF KINDNESS, THEN IT BE FOR A DAMN GOOD REASON!!!

each word out of the mouth tell who and what self is and what shall become as reality???


oh David, wrong on so many levels, but ok - if my saying play nice affects you so, don't play nice waving

What's with all the caps? trying to make a point? or ya yelling at me? BECAUSE I TRULY CAN'T TAKE THE ABUSE TODAY :wink: nor any day tongue2


davidben1's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:35 AM
franshade???

i don't care what you do in this life, I WAS ONLY POSTING "HOW" FOLLOWING A "BELIEF" THAT ANY EMOTION IS NOT EQUAL, AND FOR A DAMN GOOD REASON, WILL SUBVERT SELF FROM SEEING MANY THINGS POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN???

will hide when another DOES HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA???

caps only show what words have the most "EMPHASIS"???

if you are not up to anything today, then do nothing???

why do you repsond repeatedly then, AND BLAME IT ON ME???

one could only do this if it often and consistently think OTHERS are the cause of all their own grief or misery???

the exact "heart of the matter" of what was posted, lol...

if self see not all words as "having equal" meaning, with no matter AT ALL given to if they are "felt" thru positive or negative emotion, then one will only follow "positive" emotion alone, which will lead anything to not seeing the greatest things hidden in the universe, which only come to be SEEN thru felt so then percieved NEGATIVE FEELINGS???

nothing was ever first decieved or tricked or walked into ANY trap, unless it FIRST LOVED TO HEAR ONLY "WORDS THAT FEEL GOOD"???

the truth in the saying, "flattery be the greatest deception", was first spoken for GOOD REASONS!!!




yellowrose10's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:37 AM
frustrated ohwell whoa

franshade's photo
Wed 02/18/09 10:54 AM

franshade???

i don't care what you do in this life, I WAS ONLY POSTING "HOW" FOLLOWING A "BELIEF" THAT ANY EMOTION IS NOT EQUAL, AND FOR A DAMN GOOD REASON, WILL SUBVERT SELF FROM SEEING MANY THINGS POSSIBLE TO BE SEEN???

but Davidben1 - you do care and it shows, thank you flowerforyou

will hide when another DOES HAVE HIDDEN AGENDA???
I only hide when afraid and not much scares me waving

caps only show what words have the most "EMPHASIS"???

thanks for clarifying flowerforyou (I use smileys for emphasis:wink:)

if you are not up to anything today, then do nothing???

but you don't care (so you say :wink:) why ask laugh

why do you repsond repeatedly then, AND BLAME IT ON ME???
I have not blamed you, I responded just as you responded to clarify a point or to ask for clarification.

one could only do this if it often and consistently think OTHERS are the cause of all their own grief or misery???

if this is your belief then so be it; but it's not mine.

I make me happy and a few others yay me :banana: and know you have made me happy :heart:

the exact "heart of the matter" of what was posted, lol...

the heart of the matter is sharing information
but nice sense of humor :thumbsup:

if self see not all words as "having equal" meaning, with no matter AT ALL given to if they are "felt" thru positive or negative emotion, then one will only follow "positive" emotion alone, which will lead anything to not seeing the greatest things hidden in the universe, which only come to be SEEN thru felt so then percieved NEGATIVE FEELINGS???

I have traveled the forest :smile: saw the trees in all their glory and beyond.


nothing was ever first decieved or tricked or walked into ANY trap, unless it FIRST LOVED TO HEAR ONLY "WORDS THAT FEEL GOOD"???

the truth in the saying, "flattery be the greatest deception", was first spoken for GOOD REASONS!!!
so you do :heart: me biggrin smitten




davidben1's photo
Wed 02/18/09 11:00 AM

frustrated ohwell whoa


yea, it is already known you think it is i that is decieved, as indeed your own most belief is in "being good", and so what you preach to all, and use as your own guide of your own goodness, and indeed it no different than any MOTIVE of any religious eye, and as you have been taught, and of course what i say directly conflicts with such notions, lol......

but such things NOT SEEN TO CREATE THE VERY FIRST BELIEF IN SOMETHING ELSE THAT IT IS EVIL, ALLOW EVIL TO BE CREATED IN IT'S FIRST INCPETION???

it force the SELF WILL AGAINST THE SELF, WHICH IS THE ONLY FIRST EVIL???

things as this have perpetuated all things and belief's as only "half truth", that have EVER BEEN BELIEVED, AND CAUSED ALL THINGS THAT ARE LESS DESIRABLE WITHIN A SOCIETY???

it is known you are happy with what you believe, but that in know way indicate's what another say be not true as well???

but indeed, this is the perpetual first state of anything that think it's own two eye's, and only the eye's of what agree with self, are good eye's of sight.

indeed, the saddest state that be the ONLY THINGS THAT FIRST LEAD into deception, that come from only wishing to flock to what FEELS GOOD as birds of the "feel good for self feather only do"???

this is not bad for any ONE THING, but in no way indicate what can create more common good for ALL???

such things are only OF A PERSONAL MORAL SPIRITUAL CODE REFECTED OUTWARD TO DETERMINE "WHO" ELSE IS GOOD, AND OF VALUE, AND SOON, COME TO BE TELL SELF THE ONLY "GOOD" WORDS TO HEAR???

such things will not carry feet into the days ahead, when only eye's that see ALL DATA AS EQUAL WILL FIND STRENGTH TO FACE THE CHALLENGES SET BEFORE MANKIND!!!

if there is HOPE WITHIN FOR GOOD, THEN THERE IS NOT YET KNOWING OF HOW TO CREATE IT, AND IF THERE IS NOT SIGHT OF HOW TO CREATE IT, THEN IT IS NOT CREATED, and only words of flattery carry any that seek for glory of self into pits of despair!!!


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