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Topic: overwhelming frustration
RKISIT's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:13 PM


subdivisions by rush ,on the drums:smile: of course i'm no neil peart...but then again it's neil peart and then everyone else:smile:
Neil is a god amongst men. hands down. I tried learning yyz but had to put it down. I couldnt deal with the 3/16 or whatever ridiculous time it as in.
the man can do triple paradiddles for 5 minutes and stay in timing or tempo,same thingdrinker

longhairbiker's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:18 PM

ok i am in the process of learninng 'eruption' on my guitar and am halfway thru it and i got to a point where i cant play and im about to throw my guitar through the only window in my apt. Whats the most difficult song uve learned to play and on what innstrumnt?
...a sonata of three Gs I wrote myself. The piano parts are antiquated. The violin parts are all in minor. But the guitar parts being long framed are extremely difficult with full barres of the 3 G chords in progression. Its hard to press down all six strings on each chord progression change. Being only in two modes simplifies the progression and the staccatto augmented 7ths I have down. Its just the pressing down of 6 strings in 3 seperate chord progressions in rapid succession is quite difficult. It makes my guitar sound like a big boesendorfer grand piano in an orchestra.

7z3r05's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:23 PM
damn biker. Uve been keeping busy! this is where all those dexterity and finger strength exercises dome in! Maybe i should start taking lessons...

PhasmatisDiligo's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:23 PM
actually i'd have to say ether crazy train by ozzy, or nothing else matters by metallica... but then i'm not all that great on guitar anyways...

longhairbiker's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:36 PM
When I play "3 Gs" my freinds just stare in disbelief and ask "How do you make your fingers do that"? I tell them lots of practice. They ask my influence and I say 16th century vivaldi string concertos- written in aolian and mixalodian modes for violin. If vivaldi would have had electric guitars and amplifiers and distortion back then- the world would have been a crazy place. Everyone would have been Jimi Hendrix La'Floure. Damn that's funny. Marce' del ave Halen. Guido vincent ducci Malmstein. I'm crackin myself up here.

PhasmatisDiligo's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:39 PM
noway that's awesaome... guess i'm heading down the right path then, because lately i just can't get enough of string qurtets. That and joe satriani started my inspiration... but now it's more of the classical aproach that's resonating the walls of my house!!

7z3r05's photo
Tue 02/17/09 12:43 PM
hahahaha. That actually is pretty damn funny. My hat is off to you. I think we might be the best musicians on mingle.

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Tue 02/17/09 01:20 PM
To get technical- vivaldi was a 16th century composer that wrote some of the most popular and extremely phrase material in music history. He wrote a great percentage of material for stringed instruments and created many virtuosos and masters of stringed instruments. He himself was a master of the 7 modes (feelings in music), but knew his own limitations and wrote in perfected style in certain modes. His most popular piece is 4 seasons which is a masterpiece par none. While other great composers at the time were writing using a piano vivaldi realized the limitations of the 88 keys the piano held. His stringed instruments had a better range with 126 keys and more power, strength, and feeling. He was a genious and continues to influence artists, masters, and virtuosos today with his art. All the great guitar players of these times have some sort of classical vivaldi influence. Randy rhodes from ozzy osbourne wrote "Crazy Train" as a tip of the hat to vivaldi. The first few notes are from fall from vivaldis 4 seasons. Prodigy and then virtuoso Yngwie malmsteen lives and rues in pure vivaldi style and is a master in all 7 modes. So is steve vai and joe satriani. So is kirk hammett who coincidentally was one of the fortunate few to take lessons in theory from the late randy rhodes. I waited 7 years to attend schooling by virtuoso todd duane and learn these things and was honored for the complete experience. I can truly feel the music and understand the modes now and really respect the greats. I enjoy writing and know my limitations. Its not really how fast you can play or even how fluent you can play, but how much feeling you can put behind the notes......the greatest evidence of this was a rock concert. Yngwie malmsteen opened for AC/DC. Yngwie blew the crowd away with his blistering speed and dexterity. Just an unbelievable whirling dervish virtuoso madman. A show of shows. Angus young from AC/DC wanted to show up yngwie but there was no way possible could he even come close to being so polished and technical. So he plugged in his trusty gibson SG and walked out on the stage alone and hit one note and held it with all the feeling he could muster through that wall of 200 watt marshall majors. The crowd looked at each other like "What the f*ck"? Angus hit that note again. Then again and again with all the feeling he could muster. He started hitting that note in rapid succession and danced around the stage like a madman gone nuts. And the crowd just went bonkers. I've never seen a crowd cheer louder in my life. Angus proved right then and there to everyone that you do not have to be a virtuoso to cause a complete riot- you can do it with one note if you put all your feeling behind it. And you know the irony of it was angus one note that he repeatedly blared at everyone was an A major- the main note vivaldi was so fond of and basically the staple of every AC/DC song written- all 19 albums. So don't throw that geetar out da window boi! Direct that energy and feeling into your playing!!!

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Tue 02/17/09 02:03 PM
Some people would say that all guitar music has been written already in one form or another or one time or another. I believe this is simply not true. There are 126 notes on a 24 fret guitar. There are 12,428 chord progressions. The guitar has only been in use for 300 years. I proved the fallacy wrong when I wrote 3Gs as an assignment from my lessons from my virtuoso teacher. In theory you should not be able to write a melody around the 3 full G barre chords without repetition. I did have to use my brain on the composition on piano first and discovered by accident driving my neighbors nuts doing annoying augmented 7ths that it was possible. The same annoying augmented 7ths that jimmy page used on bass at the beginning of the song "dazed and confused" by led zep. Jimmy wrote it. John paul jones just played it. Jimmy said he picked up that riff over in england watching another bands bass player tuning up before a show. So everyone influences everyone. That's a good thing. One day while annoying everyone in the neighborhood with blaring electric guitars, my teacher and I got into a duelling guitar thing with sweeping arpeggios. The bright flashy tones of a quickly sweeped arpeggio missing certain notes in a full scale structure is great to throw into a solo of a song to show a little flash, but when you got two guys doing them in different keys against each other in a dual- its pretty funny sounding. Just think turning your wide screen TV hooked to your 6.1 surround stereo up full blast and grabbing your remote and holding down your channel change button. "BLOOP!, BLEEP!, BLURP!, DOOP!, DE!, DA!, BLIP!, DER!, BLOOP"! While doing these and laughing our asses off I totally f*cked up and threw 4 notes in the end of an arpeggio that were basically a english police car siren but in key. You know "BEEE!, BOOO!, BEEE!, BOOO! My teacher- a world accredited virtuoso says "Hey! That's f*cking cool! Whered you come up with that"? I said "I don't know. I made it up in the heat of battle"? We laughed and then discussed the theories of adding new things or taking away new things in once proven methods to create new music and ideas. Not everything works. But sometimes its very nice when it does.

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Tue 02/17/09 02:17 PM
There are many talented individuals on this site. I will never be a virtuoso- and I realize that. But I don't have to be. I hear music in my head I've never heard before. And I hear it in orchestrated and multitimbral. My only goal was to play the pretty music in my head. And I can now. And that feels good.

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Tue 02/17/09 02:48 PM
bark at the moon was hard, but i got that down and i shall conquer this as well. i should be done in october! laugh

its that one part right before the tremolo picking about halfway through the song. grrr....explode

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Tue 02/17/09 03:37 PM


subdivisions by rush ,on the drums:smile: of course i'm no neil peart...but then again it's neil peart and then everyone else:smile:
Neil is a god amongst men. hands down. I tried learning yyz but had to put it down. I couldnt deal with the 3/16 or whatever ridiculous time it as in.


x a kuhjillion, Neil is not of this earth, reminds me of Les Claypool on bass, guys like that make ordinary instruments do extraordinary things.

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Tue 02/17/09 08:46 PM
People ask me what planet I am from. 33 years of guitar, lap steel, violin, bass, mandocello, mandolin, piano, drums, and screaming will do that. My crutch? My achilles? Woodwinds. Not because I can't. Its because I'm disinterested. I mean tuba is as heavy metal as you can get, but I can't get the range I can out of stringed instruments.

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