1)cosmic evolution: the origin of time space and matter,ie. the big bang

2)chemical evolution:the origin of higher elements from hydrogen

3)stellar and planetary evolution:origin of stars and planets.

4)organic evolution:origin of life

5)macro-evolution: changing from one kind to another

6)micro-evolution:varations within kinds

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ONLY #6 IS ACTUAL SCIENCE THAT CAN BE OBSERVED!!!

NONE of the others have ever been observed
the first 5 are purely religious you have to beleive in them because there is absolutly no proof what so ever!!!


they only give you examples of #6 to support this evolution theory.there is a huge difference in getting bigger,smaller,or other minor changes
than it is changing from one species to another.

one species to another (one kind to another)

Human and chimp skeleton comparison. Lower is a human infant and a baby chimp.

I'll have to disagree... I respect your opinion, but it doesn't seem to make much logical sense to me.

For 1

Time and space are dimensions, so I don't think they really have origins per se... as for matter, the Big Bang theory postulates that matter may have started off as a massive singularity of imploding energy that essentially exploded, and that matter is just condensed forms of this energy (the energy = matter proven by Einstein E=MC^2). There's plenty of observable evidence for this...
look at thermodynamic laws, Maxwell's equations, quantum physics...

For 2

On a nice cloudless day, step outside and look at the sky. You see that bright yellow ball like thing that hurts your eyes to look at directly? Congratulations, you have just observed hydrogen "evolving" into higher elements (namely helium and some lithium isotopes).

For 3

Look at 1.

For 4

Look up Miller-Urey experiment

For 5

This argument is getting old, like beating a dead horse. I'm not going over all the arguments for this. Just go to a museum, go to a zoo... look at a mule or a liger...

It’s also not like magic. I constantly hear Christians saying things like "they expect us to believe that Poof! A chimp turned into a human." NO! We don’t expect you to believe that. I will explain the process if you want to hear it. You have to listen and not argue and then I (or anyone else) can field your questions.

Think of it as a fork. One fork was the chimp. On another fork would be man. There were several forks in between that went extinct.

Here is an excellent visual depiction of the "fork concept" using equine.

Excellent ANTicz!!!!!!!

Deke,

Why are you so upset about the scientific theory of evolution?

If you really want to appose it, you should learn more about it. Learn as much as you can.

Know they enemy.

If you don't know anything about thy enemy you will fail against him.

my question for the evolution people...if we evolved over millions of years, then there ought to be tons more fossilized evidence of the in-between species. And the evidence? Most of it has beed debunked as hoaxes...e.g. The Moab Skeletons, or the Piltdown man,exposed in 1953.
Or even the strata layers, laid down over eons. They should be uniform, correct? look at the Grand Canyon. Out of the twelve layers of strata (cambrian, ordovician, silurian, devonian, mississipian, pennsylvanian, permian, trissic, jurassic, cretaceous, tertiary,and quaternary) only has five of the layers, and the devonian is only in certian places. Where, in the billions of years of formation, dod the other layers decide not to spread out? just a few of my questions regarding evolution. I would like a serious reply, if possible

anticz....should we discuss the 'Steady State Universe theory' from Fred Hoyle(1948)that states the empty space between galaxies is constantly spawning new matter out of nothing? Or was his dismissal of his own theory in 1965 enough. And the First law of thermodynamics (the law of conservation of mass/energy) cannot allow the self-creation of matter from nothingness. the Second law of thermodynamice (law of entrophy) states that the longer something exists, the more it works toward disharmony. Unlike the evolutionary theory which says species tend to improve over time, the 2nd Law says they would have to worsen over time. Einstein himself admitted these two laws could not be broken.

We currently have documents summarizing the hominid fossil record and hypothesized lines of human evolution from 5 million years ago to the present. You have access to this just as I do or any other person who is willing to look.

Under the current taxonomy, the term "hominid" refers to members of the biological human family Hominidae: living humans, all human ancestors, the many extinct members of Australopithecus, and our closest primate relatives, the chimpanzee and gorilla. The great apes are the members of the biological family Hominidae which includes humans, chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans.

Human evolution is a puzzle made up of thousands of fossil pieces. Essentially scientists and Paleontologists have arranged these skeletal remains into a likely solution. That doesn’t mean that you personally have to accept this proposed solution. You can believe whatever you want, even Creationism.

However, the evidence is there. Are there any remaining gaps? Sure. However, these are always open to clarification as new fossil or DNA evidence is reviewed in the scientific literature. See, we don’t have one book with all the answers in it and we have to root around a bit for possible clues and explanations and then provide supportive and credible evidence. However, the overall evolutionary sequence is extensively documented and no longer open to credible dispute.

Well, I have my beliefs, but I also Seek knowledge. I look at it this way, the Creator gave me a brain, and an inquisitive mind, so I use them. It might end up, in the end, that we were evolved, but I have too many things that do not make sense to just accept the theory without question. BTW...I also question my faith from time to time, not going to take something as truth just because I was told to...

Didn’t I just say that though? If you have any more questions, I will be happy to tell you what I know. I only grow annoyed with people when they say god created me and that’s that. Well that’s fine but then don’t sit there and claim there is "no evidence" to support human anthropogenesis.

All right, one thing I've come acrosss in some of my looking around are tree fossils. Trees that are still vertical, even though they go through different strata layers. I know trees can live for loooong times, but millions of years it would take for the strata to collect around it? Seems kinda unlikely to me...any ideas?

I don’t really know that much about the field of geology but it seems likely that it might be caused by episodes of rapid sedimentation within either an actively subsiding coastal plain or rift basin or by the rapid accumulation of volcanic material on the flanks and around the bases of volcanoes as the result of periodic eruptions. Where have these been located? Do you know?

It was in South america and in western Africa, I cannot recall the countries off the top of my head, but I do know the African sites were in the late 1800's to mid 1920's and the S. American site was in the mid-late 1950's

If they were close to volcanic activity that might explain it. See if you can find a website for it.

sorry, I hit post before I finished my thoughts...There are some in the NW area of Yellowstone Nat'l Park, in the Amethyst Mountain area

will do, have to go back through my old paleo notes though. Not likely to get that today, but I'll put 'em up soon as I get back

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQu9WAnK3kQ&feature=related