Why are you so interested in doing so?

sure.....

Ok there is a gal here on mingle.....Who had cancer and it came back. When she went to the doctor the first time...They showed her not only where it came back...But came back with a vengence. They didn't hold out much hope at all....So anyway she came to me and asked if I would pray for her. I not only prayed but started prayer threads here on mingle...so their is my proof of the miracles if you want to dig it up.

I also added her to my church prayer chain, because we are mighty prayer warriors at Open Bible Church. So anyway We prayed for about two weeks and then the day before she was to go back to the doctor for CT scans again to see what was going on and what they were going to do. I stayed up all night on my knees praying. Now also remember that this member was not an athiest but also was not a believer knew of God but did nothing with it really. So she went to the doctor and called me a couple hours later screamig OMG OMG Debbie your not going to believe it.

I was balling and asked her what honey what did they say. Well she went on to tell me that they took the CT scans and the doctors came in with there mouths dropped to the floor they put the scans on the lighted screen and circled to show her that everywhere the cancer was. GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE. I burst into tears and went to my knees thanking God for showing her...Thanking God for showing the doctors of the mighty healing that only He can do.

Now what makes this even more special for me is that now this woman.......is plugged into a church, is doing all kinds of ministry work and work for the Lord & Savior.....Now understand something Funch....I could do these stories all day long for a year and never run out. Don't say they got the CT scan wrong the first time..Because it was ran twice the first time...And she made them also do the same the second time. Even the doctors were baffled....but I my sweet was not...When more then two are gathered in his name...Mighty things happen.

Now also understand something else. I probably have 20 different people on Mingle that this is the case also. So for the cynics and naysayers to say squat to me.....means nada...Because I know the power of the Lord and I see it every day. So when the few who want to dispute it come along it means nothing because what is going on behind the scenes speaks volumes to the Powers the Lord has. And for me that is all I need. Also I have many hard core athiest who are now through the Lord changing their minds. Why because the Lord is showing them also....They have their own accounts of things happening in their lives that they say I don't know why and why now....But something is going on.

"TBrich" ..religion is sort of an acceptable delusion of society which means the function of the church is to make the believers comfortable or function within that society which is why their is nothing wrong about someone like Benny Himm giving people faith or forming cults that preach peace love and understanding ..

but once the faith that cause the formation of the cult is used to distribute anything but hope to those within the cult or religion or to those outside the religion is when the religion becomes an army of destruction

"ljcc" ..that's one of the symptoms

Because the Lord is also working on funch....lol and he can try with all his might to neutralize it....But it will never ever happen.....Because no matter what he tries to say....I know the Truth.....And I know because I am a witness just as those were that saw for themselves the miracles Jesus did when he was sent to earth as a man.

"Laura" I agree with your definition of hope .."waiting expectantly" ...people do the same when they play the lottery ..but if doesn't mean that they are sure to ever win it ..only hope to

also "CERTAIN" is vague when it just refer to relying on only one of the senses ...the statment pointed to the absence of sight to be "CERTAIN" that truth exist without including any of the other senses ...that's called fantasy

"ljcc" ..think of it as being in the interest of National Security

"feralcatlady" it's no miracle if people go to the doctor ...just like the doctors can accidently kill you they can accidently heal you ...

a possible miracle may be if your friend was an amputee and grew the limb back ...

do you have any miracles that have nothing to do with going to the doctor first

you will never find a functional true believer under a doctor's care

Yeah...I can see why you might think so.

Hey look at the time...

ok now for sure gigglesnortig...no offense funch but the doctor's had not done anything....Oh I have many many accounts of miracles....but again when in doubt funch come back to the amputee story....you crack me up.

"feralcatlady" ..Jesus didn't do anything that "David Copperfield" couldn't have done

what you talking about willis?

"feralcatlady" ...crack you up? ...it should wake you up ...it shows that God has limitations ...that's why people go to Doctors

God has no limitations love and all is possible through him.


I was speaking to an athiest....pretty hard core.....He told me if your God is real tell him to sell my truck. I told him well first of all I can pray for your truck to sell but that doesn't mean that it will happen because it's on God's terms not ours. Now I knew that the door could be opened to this man if "God" made this happen. So I did pray for God to show this man that through "HIM" all things are possible. So I get a phone call a few hours later that he sold the truck to the first person that looked. So again a coinsidence....could be.....for feral no....because it totally opened the lines for communication.

Now the next part of the story. Same guy a few days later. We were talking and I asked him if he had a Bible. He said he did. Now my teachers hate when I do this...But I do because the Lord so works on people and truly opens their heart when I do. So I told him I want you to go get the Bible and I want you to come back on IM when you have it. He did. I then said ok let me pray....I prayed that the Lord show him what he needs to take any doubt that the Lord is real and wants to show him and help him.

So I got done and I told him now let the Bible fall open and I want you to read both pages and tell me what scriptures it is. He did so and said it was Psalm 67 and 69. So I got my Bible and read with him. I wept the whole way through because it was so geared to everything this man was going through at that time. Now he got done and then said to me, "Debbie what have you done", this is really creeping me out. I told him not me love but God. It was so so so right on for exactly what he was going through. So again God showed and they listened. Now in this case there were probably 5 more more things that showed him that God was real. Now he didn't turn his life over to God...But let me tell you one thing...God has his attention. Now the rest is between him and God...The seed was so firmly planted.

"feralcatlady" a guy selling his truck and someone buying the truck is a transaction that occurs millions of times everyday which mean it's clearly no miracle

also you and the guy weeping while reading the bible is no miracle ..there are probably millions of people that cry everyday when they read the bible ...maybe they are depress or something

"feralcatlady" ...it may be time for you to admit that there are no miracles

I do not believe that anyone has a responsibility to "prove" anything to you, in regard to miracles, which you require has to be proven. You simply make a claim...and then require that people prove you wrong.

If your point is that there are no miracles, I suggest that it is YOU who should offer proof of what you state rather than demand that others do the work for you by not proving that you are wrong to YOUR satisfaction.

Furthermore, I suggest that what you are attempting to incite here is the classic argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument from ignorance):

Fallacious arguments from ignorance erroneously claim either that lack of proof must render a claim false, or that lack of disproof must render a claim true.

Despite the way it sounds, this fallacy does not refer to being ignorant of the facts necessarily, rather it refers to an ignorance of alternatives and of what constitutes proof. This fallacy muddles the true-false dichotomy with the question of proof or disproof, and as such is a form of false dilemma where only two options are presented when several options exist. The ignored possibilities include false claim-not disproven, and true claim-not proven, while the implied dichotomy confines options to false claim-disproven or true claim-proven.

An example of this fallacious argument would be the intent of this thread... the claim that if Christians, or anyone for that matter, cannot provide the demanded proof for “miracles”, then Christianity fails, further fallaciously implying or stating that miraculous intervention by God is not a fact, and still further fallaciously implying or stating that God (assuming He exists)must be incapable or unwilling to perform these miracles, which are under debate here. Such a concatenation of fallacies could fool only those who believe that you, in fact...know everything.

"ljcc" ...you must be having hallucinations due to the shaking of your head ...the intent of this thread is about faith not miracles which are entirely two different topics

your christian honco "fearalcatlady" brought up miracles not me ...I was simply explaining to her how her miracles were just everyday occurences

I was saved because of these miracles....so it would not matter what you said....It happen therefore it is...

See funch you babble but you say nothing....I said you could look at the truck as being sold as a coinsidence...didn't I now...for me I say no because it open the door for him to hear the word.

Also funch you might want to check out the scripture....because it was pretty exact for this man. For example a heading you could put on Psalm 68 is God is the Father of the Fatherless. And for 69 Petition for God to draw near....hmmmmm and remember it was this man who said how scary and how exact and right on it was...not me. And I didn't say he was crying I said I was because I knew everything that was going on in his life. And it was so scary right on. Also had his girlfriend look whom also wept and wept so no funch it was God showing him that there is a way and as dark as he may thought his life was there is always through God a way out a light at the end of the tunnel so to speak.

And so far your taking this apart with what I have done so far is weak at best.

It might be time for you to admit there are.




"feralcatlady" a guy selling his truck and someone buying the truck is a transaction that occurs millions of times everyday which mean it's clearly no miracle

also you and the guy weeping while reading the bible is no miracle ..there are probably millions of people that cry everyday when they read the bible ...maybe they are depress or something

"feralcatlady" ...it may be time for you to admit that there are no miracles

Very well then. Just insert "faith" in place of "miracles" and re-read. The logic still applies.