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Topic: Outsourcing
tngxl65's photo
Wed 02/04/09 01:57 PM
First, outsourcing does not necessarily mean that jobs are moving out of the country. It only means the work is being done by a third party, not directly employed by the company. Of course we know that much of that goes overseas (China, india, etc) but we do outsource within the U.S. too. For instance a corporation might outsource their desktop support to CSC (Computer Science Corporation) who will put their own people on the ground at the location (or may hire yours for a lower wage).

Then there is 'sourcing'..... which in this context usually means having products built cheaply overseas and then imported and sold here in the U.S. Many of our manufacturing jobs and most of our textiles jobs have gone this route. Obviously companies do this because they have to to compete and stay in business. The market will always drive to cheaper.

And who's fault is it? Mine. And yours. We made the decision to buy the cheaper product rather than the one made in the USA. And who can blame us. Everyone is trying to save a dollar. We voted with our wallet.

What I would like to see is a stimlus plan that includes tax incentives for companies that hire U.S. workers. I don't know how that happens or is measured, but I'd like to see it.

Totage's photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:01 PM
Edited by Totage on Wed 02/04/09 02:01 PM

What do you think about it? Does your company outsource? Do you think it's a good idea? Why? Do you think it's a bad idea? Why?


Can be good, Where I work alot of the jobs I do are outsourced to us from all over the world. I get alot of O.T. even in these tought times, so I guess it depends on where you work and what you do.

no photo
Wed 02/04/09 02:02 PM

First, outsourcing does not necessarily mean that jobs are moving out of the country. It only means the work is being done by a third party, not directly employed by the company. Of course we know that much of that goes overseas (China, india, etc) but we do outsource within the U.S. too. For instance a corporation might outsource their desktop support to CSC (Computer Science Corporation) who will put their own people on the ground at the location (or may hire yours for a lower wage).

Then there is 'sourcing'..... which in this context usually means having products built cheaply overseas and then imported and sold here in the U.S. Many of our manufacturing jobs and most of our textiles jobs have gone this route. Obviously companies do this because they have to to compete and stay in business. The market will always drive to cheaper.

And who's fault is it? Mine. And yours. We made the decision to buy the cheaper product rather than the one made in the USA. And who can blame us. Everyone is trying to save a dollar. We voted with our wallet.

What I would like to see is a stimlus plan that includes tax incentives for companies that hire U.S. workers. I don't know how that happens or is measured, but I'd like to see it.


My company outsources quite a bit of work out of the country.

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/04/09 06:14 PM


I'm sure there were better ways to get your point across than calling everyone stupid.


Of course, you are right about that. That was not a classy move on my part.

Here is my excuse:

These are all adult people, blabbering about foreigners, outsourcing, always perceiving their own favorite self above everyone else.

What do you do? Teach them? You know, if you start doing that, they will argue and argue, and end up call me stupid. (I have experience doing that before).

What do you do when you see a selfish ignoramus calling everyone else greedy and disloyal?

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/04/09 06:22 PM

What I would like to see is a stimlus plan that includes tax incentives for companies that hire U.S. workers. I don't know how that happens or is measured, but I'd like to see it.


In other words, you propose to subsidize local business. This has already been tried, with disastrous results. The industry subsidized doesn't need to compete 1 to 1 against foreign one anymore, so the end result is they become weaker, less competitive, making an inferior product. Their inferiority ends up being exactly accountable by the amount of the subsidy they have received.


Why not allow them to simply compete, and actually be the best if they want to survive?

IndnPrncs's photo
Wed 02/04/09 06:31 PM

Why not allow them to simply compete, and actually be the best if they want to survive?



Been there done that and we won.. It seems that's what it takes for some big businesses to see they've become complacent... Now with our technological abilities it's going to be even harder for businesses... But to obtain the American dream it's even harder and that didn't start with outsourcing... It started with greed on all sides, consumers, workers and corporations..

tngxl65's photo
Wed 02/04/09 06:37 PM


What I would like to see is a stimlus plan that includes tax incentives for companies that hire U.S. workers. I don't know how that happens or is measured, but I'd like to see it.


In other words, you propose to subsidize local business. This has already been tried, with disastrous results. The industry subsidized doesn't need to compete 1 to 1 against foreign one anymore, so the end result is they become weaker, less competitive, making an inferior product. Their inferiority ends up being exactly accountable by the amount of the subsidy they have received.


Why not allow them to simply compete, and actually be the best if they want to survive?


Surprisingly enough I agree with much of what you're saying. And I don't want a permanent incentive. It's just that in this economy, right now, I think we need to incent companies to make jobs for american workers. Things are happening too fast... there are too many americans out of work all at once. I'm all for gradually letting the market work itself out. But this isn't gradual. It's a high powered vacuum.

no photo
Wed 02/04/09 08:02 PM



I'm sure there were better ways to get your point across than calling everyone stupid.


Of course, you are right about that. That was not a classy move on my part.

Here is my excuse:

These are all adult people, blabbering about foreigners, outsourcing, always perceiving their own favorite self above everyone else.

What do you do? Teach them? You know, if you start doing that, they will argue and argue, and end up call me stupid. (I have experience doing that before).

What do you do when you see a selfish ignoramus calling everyone else greedy and disloyal?



So, your idea was to call them greedy and stupid first, huh? Yeah.. good idea.

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/04/09 10:59 PM

So, your idea was to call them greedy and stupid first, huh? Yeah.. good idea.


Very bad idea. You're right.

Call it a rip in a rubber band of tolerance.

nogames39's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:02 PM

Surprisingly enough I agree with much of what you're saying. And I don't want a permanent incentive. It's just that in this economy, right now, I think we need to incent companies to make jobs for american workers. Things are happening too fast... there are too many americans out of work all at once. I'm all for gradually letting the market work itself out. But this isn't gradual. It's a high powered vacuum.


This might be good, I am not quite sure, I have never examined it in regards to a temporary impact.


It's just that as they say "There is nothing more permanent than that what is temporary."

Somehow the things our government does as temporary, all too often seem to stick forever.

IndnPrncs's photo
Wed 02/04/09 11:19 PM


Surprisingly enough I agree with much of what you're saying. And I don't want a permanent incentive. It's just that in this economy, right now, I think we need to incent companies to make jobs for american workers. Things are happening too fast... there are too many americans out of work all at once. I'm all for gradually letting the market work itself out. But this isn't gradual. It's a high powered vacuum.


This might be good, I am not quite sure, I have never examined it in regards to a temporary impact.


It's just that as they say "There is nothing more permanent than that what is temporary."

Somehow the things our government does as temporary, all too often seem to stick forever.


I don't agree with this... Sometimes it's true but other times it's not... TX is correct, we are in a bad position... Unfortunately, there isn't an easy quick fix and that's what we need... Finding the answer(s) is more important than b*tching about other people's opinions, especially if one can't offer more...

scoundrel's photo
Thu 02/05/09 12:04 AM
Back in the early nineties, when some industry and trend experts put together a series of televised meetings, they forecast the change in national and international business to become conglomerated, as a hedge to "level out" the effects of dollar values. By internationl money funds spread across the globe, the net result was consistency of value in the international stocks, which automatically plays against the value of any one currency being higher for a prolonged period. That is the effective "power" and scope of international investing.
They also forecast much of America's productive and agricultural power to wane, and to force the society into more service-oriented roles. In that change, the outsourcing automatically results via the internet and international/satellite phone business.

Things that cannot be outsourced, or which are difficult or uneconomical to outsource, have been listed in a number of places on the net. Those are the careers to aim for, or to go after some sort of temporarily secure employment, or even to invest in.

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