Topic: A Giant Leap for pimitive mankind...
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Sun 02/01/09 07:53 AM

In most television documentaries I watch a story of the progression of primitive man to modern man but there is never any explanation of how the primitive cave man suddenly transformed into the current modern man.

In most of the documentaries they just suddenly appear out of nowhere. There is also no explanation of what happened to the primitive man and how he was "wiped out" and no explanation of where this more modern man came from.

He just seemed to suddenly appear on a distant hill. I'm thinking WTF?? Where did he come from all of a sudden.

They did not show us how the primitive man "changed" into the modern man. They only showed how the modern man suddenly appeared.

I am not into the study of evolution so I do not defend it because I do not know enough about it.

My question is, for those who know more about it, is there any real evidence or proof that a primitive species of man evolved from what they are to a more modern version and if so, are there any theories or proof of how this happened?

My own theory is that an advanced civilization was involved with upgrading the human species and that accounts for the giant leap from primitive to more modern species.






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Sun 02/01/09 08:00 AM
Think back to the cowboy. And then think back farther. Slowly evolved

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Sun 02/01/09 08:27 AM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sun 02/01/09 08:30 AM
Yes overwhelming proof.

I will put together a series of videos and analysis in the coming weeks to really address this once and for all on this forum.

Then I am going to keep a copy so if ever we need to rehash it . . . lol.

:wink:


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Just as a quick paragraph to help put it into perspective.


You are a transitional form between your parents and your children.

If you have no children, then you are the end of the road for the DNA changes that have been accumulated since you split off from your family tree.

Evolution is no different then genealogy. You are different then your parents. Millions of generations make for some big changes.


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Sun 02/01/09 08:28 AM

Yes overwhelming proof.

I will put together a series of videos and analysis in the coming weeks to really address this once and for all on this forum.

Then I am going to keep a copy so if ever we need to rehash it . . . lol.

:wink:


Thank you so much. I will appreciate it very much.


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Sun 02/01/09 12:08 PM

In most television documentaries I watch a story of the progression of primitive man to modern man but there is never any explanation of how the primitive cave man suddenly transformed into the current modern man.

In most of the documentaries they just suddenly appear out of nowhere. There is also no explanation of what happened to the primitive man and how he was "wiped out" and no explanation of where this more modern man came from.


first of all by primitive man does that refer to Neanderthal Man

second is there any dispute by believers or non-believers that Neanderthal Man existed

third is there any dispute by believers or non-believers that Neanderthal Man existed before Modern Man

in religion if God made Man in his own image then God looks like a Neanderthal

also if Adam and Eve was the first human then it's only ogical that they were Neanderthal which would explain why they were simpletons

also Neanderthal Man didn't necessarily have to evolve into Modern Man they could have mutated

evolution may not be how species evolved... with radiation for the Sun or space this factor may have caused species to mutate in a quantum Leap instead of minute steps


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Sun 02/01/09 02:22 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 02/01/09 02:22 PM
-----------------> Are you a Neanderthal Man?

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Sun 02/01/09 03:44 PM
When I look around in social situations I see some humans that don't appear to have evolved much beyond the apes intellectually.

So I don't see where there is such a big jump. I think we're still in the process of evolving and the bulk of humanity probably still has a long way to evolve yet.

And I'm not joking either.

Just look at Men like Albert Einstein and even more profoundingly someone like Issac Newton.

Clearly they were extremely far ahead of the rest of humanity yet they were mere individuals.

So we have examples of 'spurts' of great levels of intellect even within current history.

Imagine living in a world where everyone is as brilliant as Issac Newton. Or maybe you can't. Or maybe you wouldn't like it. Maybe it's more fun being monkeys. laugh

I think we've seen spurts of extraordinary forms of humanity in living individuals.

So, in a very real sense, there's proof right there than sh!t happens.

bigsmile


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Sun 02/01/09 03:48 PM
Edited by Bushidobillyclub on Sun 02/01/09 03:48 PM

When I look around in social situations I see some humans that don't appear to have evolved much beyond the apes intellectually.

So I don't see where there is such a big jump. I think we're still in the process of evolving and the bulk of humanity probably still has a long way to evolve yet.

And I'm not joking either.

Just look at Men like Albert Einstein and even more profoundingly someone like Issac Newton.

Clearly they were extremely far ahead of the rest of humanity yet they were mere individuals.

So we have examples of 'spurts' of great levels of intellect even within current history.

Imagine living in a world where everyone is as brilliant as Issac Newton. Or maybe you can't. Or maybe you wouldn't like it. Maybe it's more fun being monkeys. laugh

I think we've seen spurts of extraordinary forms of humanity in living individuals.

So, in a very real sense, there's proof right there than sh!t happens.

bigsmile


Well said, each person is a unique roll of the dice.

Each time a woman and man come together to form a new life the genetic dice are rolled and many things can happen.

Every day we hear in the news and through the web about the things that go wrong when these genetic dice do their thing, the disease that follows all life in its wake.

It is perhaps far to irregular that we hear, or likely understand when those same dice create a work of art in terms of function.

Music has my mind captured right now, I see this genius in great composers and musicians.

Ahh, life is beautiful.


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Sun 02/01/09 04:04 PM

-----------------> Are you a Neanderthal Man?


and I sling a large club

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Sun 02/01/09 09:05 PM

Yes overwhelming proof.

I will put together a series of videos and analysis in the coming weeks to really address this once and for all on this forum.

Then I am going to keep a copy so if ever we need to rehash it . . . lol.

:wink:


__________________________________

Just as a quick paragraph to help put it into perspective.


You are a transitional form between your parents and your children.

If you have no children, then you are the end of the road for the DNA changes that have been accumulated since you split off from your family tree.

Evolution is no different then genealogy. You are different then your parents. Millions of generations make for some big changes.




I have to admit I didn't learn anything about evolution in catholic school and when I did learn a bit about it in my late 20's it was confusing and documentary's on tv seem to be leaving something out or I am just not getting it. Maybe your video can help?...

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Mon 02/02/09 06:55 AM
Yes, every time I see or hear anything about evolution I get the feeling they are missing something very important.


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Mon 02/02/09 12:11 PM

Yes, every time I see or hear anything about evolution I get the feeling they are missing something very important.


I truly don't see a problem with it at all.

It took millions of years to put everything in place. Then one day life 'wakes up'. Clearly that's going to happen basically "overnight".

In other words, there needs to be a point in time when someone said, "Ah Ha! I'm awake! What am I?"

That moment can only take place in an instant. That moment isn't going to be dragged out over a long period of time.

So the movement from non-sentient, to sentient is going to be an instantaneous event.

So I don't see the problem.

If an ape of monkey could 'wake up' it would instantly be able to learn to do a lot of things. It already knows how to do a lot of things.

The only thing that monkeys and apes (and many other animals) are genuinely lacking is the ability to premediate actions far into the future.

The only thing that humans have over other animals really is the ablity to premeditate long term goals and actions.

That's truly the only real major difference.

That, and also seeing the benefit of sacrifice for others. Animals lack the 'bigger picture' is all. Although sometime they will defend other members of their own species at their own peril.

It's not that they don't have the logical skills to figure things out so much. They seem to do that to some degree already. Their only real limitation seems to be that they live entirely in the moment and don't truly consider the future.

Although many animals do store up food for future needs, but they probably don't daydream about how they will be spending their time in the future. They only know that having reserves of food is good.

But I really don't see the problem.

Humans are NOT all that much more intelligent than other animals truly. With the power of self-awareness also came the ability to use abstract symbols. That all goes together in the same basket. So the ability to learn to read and write, etc, would come naturally with self-awarness. And we've actually seen those abilities evolve over historical time.

If apes or monkeys suddely became self-aware they could learn to abstract symbols almost instantly. In fact, monkeys already do that to some degree and they aren't even fully self-aware yet, but I think they are on the verge. I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a monkey "waking up". I truly wouldn't. They are very close to that point.

And if one did, and it was bred it's offspring would probably start waking up too. And then you'd soon have a whole tribe of sentient monkeys in a very short period of time geologically speaking.

So I don't see where your concern is.

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Mon 02/02/09 02:59 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 02/02/09 03:11 PM
I don't see where your concern is.


I am not concerned with any move from non-sentient to sentient. I am talking about details of how evolution might happen.

Okay, there was a story a while back about a chimp that preferred walking upright. Nobody could explain why, but he walked upright like a human. There did not seem to be anything different about him other than that. He was still a chimp.

Okay something like that might happen and nothing changes. BUT maybe a chimp who likes to walk upright mates with another chimp that has the same feature. Now there is a possibility that their babies will all inherit this feature and maybe they won't. In any case that could be one tiny detail of how evolution happens.

Now if these offspring separated from the rest of the troop of chimps and inner bred with their siblings, this trait might continue.

The same goes with two chimps who seem to be more aware of themselves. They mate, and maybe their their offspring inherit that smart trait.

In the Urantia book they claimed that two primate lemurs were born who were twins and they were extremely intelligent and more aware and so different from their troop that they left it and formed a mating bond. Even though they were twins, they mated and their offspring were like them, much more intelligent and walking more upright.

They were the first primitive humans according to the Urantia Book. (They were NOT the "Adam and Eve" stock, which came much later.)

In humans, I have noticed that when brother and sister mate and have a child, the child is sometimes different. I knew of a case like this where a brother and sister had two children. One was a genius and the other was 'retarded.'

Some are less intelligent, and sometimes the offspring will be smarter than the average human. Sometimes a genius is born, from parents who were sister and brother. So perhaps evolution or de-evolution happens with a species closely interbreeds with related genes.

These are just my ideas. If I were to get into the theory of evolution I would want to know how this kind of thing takes place and why--- specifically, and then see if DNA and genes can back up these (my) theories of inner breeding.

But my theory of this kind of evolution is still just a theory. Before I started touting it as a likely fact I would want to see DNA proof and a boat load of evidence that has no large holes it it.









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Mon 02/02/09 04:08 PM
Edited by notquite00 on Mon 02/02/09 04:10 PM

I don't see where your concern is.


I am not concerned with any move from non-sentient to sentient. I am talking about details of how evolution might happen.

Okay, there was a story a while back about a chimp that preferred walking upright. Nobody could explain why, but he walked upright like a human. There did not seem to be anything different about him other than that. He was still a chimp.

Okay something like that might happen and nothing changes. BUT maybe a chimp who likes to walk upright mates with another chimp that has the same feature. Now there is a possibility that their babies will all inherit this feature and maybe they won't. In any case that could be one tiny detail of how evolution happens.

Now if these offspring separated from the rest of the troop of chimps and inner bred with their siblings, this trait might continue.

The same goes with two chimps who seem to be more aware of themselves. They mate, and maybe their their offspring inherit that smart trait.

In the Urantia book they claimed that two primate lemurs were born who were twins and they were extremely intelligent and more aware and so different from their troop that they left it and formed a mating bond. Even though they were twins, they mated and their offspring were like them, much more intelligent and walking more upright.

They were the first primitive humans according to the Urantia Book. (They were NOT the "Adam and Eve" stock, which came much later.)

In humans, I have noticed that when brother and sister mate and have a child, the child is sometimes different. I knew of a case like this where a brother and sister had two children. One was a genius and the other was 'retarded.'

Some are less intelligent, and sometimes the offspring will be smarter than the average human. Sometimes a genius is born, from parents who were sister and brother. So perhaps evolution or de-evolution happens with a species closely interbreeds with related genes.

These are just my ideas. If I were to get into the theory of evolution I would want to know how this kind of thing takes place and why--- specifically, and then see if DNA and genes can back up these (my) theories of inner breeding.

But my theory of this kind of evolution is still just a theory. Before I started touting it as a likely fact I would want to see DNA proof and a boat load of evidence that has no large holes it it.




So, let's say this upright-walking chimp has kids, and his kids adopt this behavior. Let's say it really catches on and his kids and other chimps start doing it. They discover that they can move about on two legs and, for example, through rocks at predators at the same time, so they find it useful. Sooner or later, the chimps that are better at this upright walking skill will seem more attractive to other chimps, so slowly, over many generations, the chimps become very good at walking upright. Well, that's evolution into a bipedal primate.
Now, maybe although they're all better at throwing stuff, but there are some of these chimps who are a little smarter. The other chimps listen to what the smart guys' say because they're better able to trick other animals and get nutritious meat effectively. Well, all of a sudden, the chimps that are just by chance genetically smarter seem more attractive and have more babies. Over generations, a smarter chimp evolves.

Well, now you have a smarter, bipedal primate that may one day, if things keep going well for it, figure out fire, the wheel, and finally write some Shakespeare. :banana:

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Mon 02/02/09 04:31 PM
notquite00,

That's the way I had it figured. smokin :wink:

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Mon 02/02/09 04:43 PM
There are far more details of evolution that we do not yet know than those that we do.


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Mon 02/02/09 06:27 PM

There are far more details of evolution that we do not yet know than those that we do.




That is why I don't embrace it or defend it. There just is not enough information. But I think with new advances in DNA, if they are allowed to continue and be revealed, we will discover many things. Probably too many things. Things that some people don't want to be known. Like alien and reptilian DNA and some people who are not quite human living among us.