It seems as if humans have to have identities in order to be able to communicate with each other and get around on planet earth.

Could we even imagine ourself without any identities?

How would we raise our children? Go to work. Go out and party? Would there be no difference between us without identities?

I suppose just our bodies alone signify different identities as all our bodies are somewhat different from each other.

Would there be more harmony and less chaos in the world without identities?

Kozee

Identity is not how I know me, but how others might identify me.

For a few years I worked in a totally non-white apartment complex. I didn't speak any of the languages of the tenants, nor did we ever call each other by name. I was simply the guy who fixed things, or got things done, and collected rent.

We got along quite well. Usual amount of fights, robberies, vandalism, drugs, prostitution, and such things. But we got along well, without lots of chatter. No real arguments. No hurt feelings. Clear expectations of each other in the roles that were set.

Does that answer your question?

Good question...

I think without identities, all would still be the same as everyone would still go on face values maybe...

Who are you? Oh wait, I don't know, so the answer must be yes.

I get from what you're saying that we could not be without identities?

Out of curiosity - how would you know yourself?

Kozee

Sure we can, read Julian Jaynes' the Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the BiCarmeral Mind.

Going on face values would be a novel idea :).

Could us humans stand to all be the same?

Kozee

What do you think it would be like to be without identities?

K

I'd rather just discuss it in your own words because most likely I'm not going to get the book right away.

What would it be like without identities?

Kozee

One side of the brain will talk to the other and tell us how to act and what to do; we probably would appear slightly odd but not that much different than people today.

We would cease to exist...the ego would collapse, without the ego we have no super-ego...without an ego we have nothing.

Jaynes postulates that the side of the brain is the original "g-d" where language and creativity reside. We would be differiantated within ourselves.

Hey you!

No, not you, you

It seems as if humans have to have identities in order to be able to communicate with each other and get around on planet earth.

Could we even imagine ourself without any identities?

Of course it is possible to imagine this.... you ave, to even raise the question...



How would we raise our children? Go to work. Go out and party? Would there be no difference between us without identities?

Raising children where they are not ego centred is not that difficult..there is no 'my'... there is no closing them down, as in... 'You are this, or you are that.' Not labelling them, nor critiquing them, gives them complete freedom to decide who they may be.

There would be no separation with no ego identities... we would understand we are of the One Source.


I suppose just our bodies alone signify different identities as all our bodies are somewhat different from each other.

Would there be more harmony and less chaos in the world without identities?


It goes witout saying... to not have ego separation, and the whole garbage of 'what is yours and what is mine, and you should act this way, and I am injured/wounded/hurt because you did or did not do this or that'....would disappear.

The more one realises that we are ALL one... the sooner all the ego crap dissolves.

Would we become robots?

K

You mean there would be no bodies or nothing at all?

Yea - but "you" is still a "someone". And hey "not you", but "you", then describes someone else. Just because there's only one label (you) doesn't mean there's still not some sort of identity.

K

Understood. But what happens when you want to communicate with someone else? Would one take that differentiation and then project it to others? What if one didn't have that differentiation?

K

I don't think that identity has anything to do with the innate, bound nature of a human being. It is a system that was created to orgainze people, and likey for crime or another sense of control. I don't know enough about people to really say how it would work without it. Ainjel seems to have the most reasonable idea of it.

If we consider identity as the sum of all behavior, of atoms and energies in a body, which is unique from every other individual in the universe, then I don't see how the dangers of identity can be adverted, anymore than I can choose to grow up without a pinky toe. I also don't see the neccessity of having no identity.