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Topic: In ??? We Trust
feralcatlady's photo
Tue 01/27/09 02:01 PM



That is, of course, if you (a) believe in God; (b) believe in a God who has nothing better to do than worry about the design of a back-water city that no one thought would last; or (c) believe in a God who actually has any control over this world. Myself, I think that if there is a God, he has far more important things he should be worried about than the Washington Monument. And, since technically speaking the Washington Monument is an icon, and God supposedly doesn't want people worshiping icons, then I would think he would have knocked it down to begin with as it's a tribute to a human being and not Him/herself.



true but no one worshiped him like a God. n


lol lol sorry suzin but we don't worship the washington monument. That is what is meant by false Gods or icons...Like when the israelites worshiped a cow....that is an icon.....



Nope, but the monument was put in place as a tribute to a man many consider(ed) to be right up there with God. Technically speaking, any image can be construed as an icon if people look to it as a source of strength or inspiration. Up until the Renaissance period, images of anything were strictly verboten in many faiths. Many faiths still practice that, they won't even allow photos of themselves to be taken for that reason.


A tribute to a man not a god. And I would say no one put him on the same level as God. And looking to it as a source of strength is way different then praying to it as a God. And many religions worship false idols such as the catholics. This is not to say that Mary didn't have her place but to make a statue and worship her.....hmmmmm

And not sure what you mean my images of anything were strictly verboten in many faiths????? and photos of who exactly?????

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Tue 01/27/09 02:33 PM
Agreeing to disagree here Deb, peace out flowerforyou


Krimsa's photo
Tue 01/27/09 03:18 PM
There is also no way to know what "god" they are referring to. It does not say praise be to the god of the bible. We know that George Washington was a Deist. Deism is a rationalist religious philosophy that flourished in the 17th and 18th centuries, particularly in England. Generally, Deists held that a certain kind of religious knowledge (sometimes called natural religion) is either inherent in each person or accessible through the exercise of reason, but they denied the validity of religious claims based on revelation or on the specific teachings of any church.

Lynann's photo
Tue 01/27/09 04:54 PM
Exactly...Kirisma

Oh...check out the figures on the SCOTUS build...

The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the time before Jesus and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus.

The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the time after Jesus and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon.

feralcatlady's photo
Tue 01/27/09 05:07 PM
Washington gives us little in his writings to indicate his personal religious beliefs.

However, at his own inauguration, he used Genesis 49:131 on

Clear evidence of his personal theology is lacking, even on his deathbed when he died a "death of civility" without expressions of Christian hope. His failure to document beliefs in conventional dogma, such as a life after death, is a clue that he may not qualify as a conventional Christian. Instead, Washington may be closer to a "warm deist" than a standard Anglican in colonial Virginia.

Washington was not anti-religion. Washington was not uninterested in religion. He was a military commander who struggled to motivate raw troops in the French and Indian War. He recognized that recruiting the militia in the western part of Virginia required accommodating the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians, Baptists, and Dutch Reformed members in officially-Anglican Virginia. He was aware that religious beliefs were a fundamental part of the lives of his peers and of his soldiers. He knew that a moral basis for the American Revolution and the creation of a new society would motivate Americans to support his initiatives - and he knew that he would receive more support if he avoided discriminating against specific religious beliefs.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:10 PM

There is also no way to know what "god" they are referring to. It does not say praise be to the god of the bible. We know that George Washington was a Deist. Deism is a rationalist religious philosophy that flourished in the 17th and 18th centuries, particularly in England. Generally, Deists held that a certain kind of religious knowledge (sometimes called natural religion) is either inherent in each person or accessible through the exercise of reason, but they denied the validity of religious claims based on revelation or on the specific teachings of any church.




Well I would assume looking into the lives of all the forefathers it was not a God of Zeus or Budda. And proof of your last paragraph please.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:10 PM
Edited by Krimsa on Tue 01/27/09 05:11 PM
The father of this country was very private about his beliefs, but it is widely considered that he was a Deist like his colleagues. He was a Freemason.

Historian Barry Schwartz writes: "George Washington's practice of Christianity was limited and superficial because he was not himself a Christian... He repeatedly declined the church's sacraments. Never did he take communion, and when his wife, Martha, did, he waited for her outside the sanctuary... Even on his deathbed, Washington asked for no ritual, uttered no prayer to Christ, and expressed no wish to be attended by His representative."

Paul F. Boller states in is anthology on Washington: "There is no mention of Jesus Christ anywhere in his extensive correspondence."

"Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society."

George Washington-- letter to Edward Newenham, 1792


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Tue 01/27/09 05:13 PM


There is also no way to know what "god" they are referring to. It does not say praise be to the god of the bible. We know that George Washington was a Deist. Deism is a rationalist religious philosophy that flourished in the 17th and 18th centuries, particularly in England. Generally, Deists held that a certain kind of religious knowledge (sometimes called natural religion) is either inherent in each person or accessible through the exercise of reason, but they denied the validity of religious claims based on revelation or on the specific teachings of any church.




Well I would assume looking into the lives of all the forefathers it was not a God of Zeus or Budda. And proof of your last paragraph please.


Feral, Deists hold a belief in a Creator but not the god of the bible.

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Tue 01/27/09 05:14 PM
Also for your notes to be kept for future references Krisma


[Mount Vernon, 9 July 1799]

In the name of God amen I George Washington of Mount Vernon--a citizen of the United States, and lately Pr<es>ident of the same, do make, ordai<n> and declare this Instrument; w<hic>h is written with my own hand <an>d every page thereof subscribed <wit>h my name, to be my last Will & <Tes>tament, revoking all others.

<I>mprimus. All my <deb>ts, of which there are but few, and none of magnitude, are to be punctu<al>ly and speedily paid--and the Legaci<es he>reinafter bequeathed, are to be disc<ha>rged as soon as circumstances will <pe>rmit, and in the manner directe<d>.


Full context

http://gwpapers.virginia.edu/documents/will/text.html





Krimsa's photo
Tue 01/27/09 05:16 PM
Im having a hard time reading that? Is it a quote? I gave a full quote. It is an entire paragraph.

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