There was a huge campaigne here in Indiana by one of the local churches.
It was one simple phrase "Would Jesus Discriminate?".
It appeared on billboards around Indianapolis and there were yard signs,
and car magnets passed out.

Have any of you seen these or heard about this campaigne?

Well, would Jesus discriminate? So what do you think the point of this
huge campaigne was, what does it mean?

This might be off subject but I do think jesus would have a huge problem
with most churches.

I am quite sure he would quickly overturn the bingo tables.

AB

Do you think that the person who preached love as the base of life would
discriminate?
We simple and short-sighted human beings are the only beings who can
bear that attitude within our hearts.

LW>

Do you think he would be pleased with the churches raised in his name.

i.e. Preachers with limo's, velvet curtians adorning the church, golden
vestments, locked doors, abused alter boys, etc...

AB:
no He will not.
Churches are maiden by Men, and men are corrupt. ANd that is why we see
all that corruption in all churchs even the catholic

I think not. Even when faced with evil he chose to love and not hate

I have not heard of this campaign, have no idea what it was about.
Could be that some Christian church was discriminating...just an idea.
I can remember when 'discriminate' was used differently than today. For
an example....'the discriminating man chooses our brand'.
The Bible teaches that we all are sinners, that the wages of sin is
death (spiritual death)and Jesus paid that price for everyone when He
died on the cross.
I can't see any discrimination there. I believe that Jesus loves each of
us the same....and yes, that includes the weak, the strong, the rich,
the poor, the 'good' and the monsters ie Hitler etc.

Probably not. Jesus said to love the sinner, even as you hate the sin.
Although until the sinner repents, he still sins, and he did show a lot
of fairly violent tendencies. Especially to those who debased religious
organizations with corruption.

People have their own opinions about everything, so here's mine.

If a person chooses to live their whole life with one race, I don't
think they would learn much. They would only know ONE thing, and never
understand anything else.

It's like taking only one subject in school.

I sure like that you are all so willing to discuss a topic. OlJeb, you
are partially right, and you did make me laugh. It's not the word or
the defination that changed. It was a terrible campaigne that brought
BACK a very old interpretation. In England it was acceptible, even
expected that good citizens discriminated against each other for many
reasons, some good, some bad. In other words, If you had money or power
or station in life you discriminated one choice of, say food, over
another, because one was seen to be of better quality and the fact that
you had the ability to do so ALLOWED you to be discriminate. You would
also discriminate against others when choosing a spouse as it was
important not to go outside your social standing.
This was brought back in the awful campaignes that gave discrimination
a good light. If you thought one product was better than another, the
company said, you were allowed to discriminate. It had unfortunated
side affects, it made discrimination less than a distasteful word and
idea.

OlJeb was correct when he mentioned that he thought the topic question
might relate to some Christian church showing discrimination. That was
exactly what it was aimed at.

It came about when the marriage law was being reviewed and was due to be
submitted for a vote. It was after Bush made the comment that he would
veto any proposed law that would change the Christian word marriage to
mean anything different than between one man and one woman.

It was meant to attract attention in the hopes that it would generate
thought and the question, what does that mean. It did, at least for me.
I had several people ask me about it. After some brief conversation I
would ask, so would Jesus discriminate, and everyone answered NO.

So why are so many Christians discriminating? If they are truely
Christians and believe they have the truth in their grasp, what in their
faith gives them the right to judge others to the point of
discrimination. If we have fee will to choose, why do any Christians
believe they have the right to choose for us?

ok, just to be different: I would say that Jesus DID discriminate.

How so? For one he clearly focused his parables and teachings to his
audience differently, with different intentions and implications. For
example, the story of the good Samaritan. The "Samaritans" were a set of
"second class jewry", so for his parable to be effective he made use of
the class-discrimination to make his point. His point wasnt so much the
injustice of discrimination as it was the come-uppence to the "proper
jewry".

Look at his statement "Give unto Ceasar". This wasnt a wishy-washy
evasive answer about taxation. It was considered blashphemy to have any
human-likeness appear in and around the Temple. Ceasar's image was on
the coin - Jesus was calling for a rejection of all things Roman, he was
calling for a revolution against the Italians. Dont think so? What did
he do in the market place?

He had a sassy discussion with the samaritan woman at the well. He says
"Get me a drink woman", and they go on with a sassy exchange. He was
talking down to her - making her aware of her 2nd class status.

Sure, Jesus hung out with prostitutes and the like. But not Gentiles.

So yeah, I would say that discrimination was clearly present.

Mike, you might be correct, if these passages were always interpreted
that way. For example - Give unto Ceasar could be interpreted as
something simpler. Jesus was angry that in the most high place of
worship, money which was a political creation, whose purpose was to
promote greed and discrimination by creating caste or classed among the
poeple, was being exchanged for the offerings that were to be made by
the people when they went to worship. That a man could "buy" the fruits
of another mans labor and offer it to God was a blasphemy. Therefore he
meant to pay unto Ceaser (in the kingdom of Ceaser) what belonged to
that kingdom and pay undo God what belongs in HIS kingdom, meaning your
faith and your 'pure' offerings. The others too have meanings apart
from what you say but I want to go on from here.

While the Bible says that to be a good and faithful follower you must
adhere to these rules (and they are whaterver) it also says that WE are
not to judge others, that right belongs only to God. In esence this
means that one is responsible for only themselves. It is not for us to
impose our beliefs or to judge others by theirs. So there is no sin in
allowing others to sin in your eys, according to your beliefs. There is
only sin when judgment of another is passed and that judgement has
negative affects on those whom you judge.

no!!!! he created us all. but man is so evil thats where discrimination
came in.no matter the color we all came from the dust of the eartth and
our bodies and color will turn back to dust. And its funny how you dust
will have no color know one can tell if you were
Spanish,Black,Indian,White or Mexican so my answer is no.Good
topic

Silkia, I completely agree with you about the nature of human beings,
and that that Love knows no racial prejudice, but "discrimination" is
*not* always "racial prejudice".

Using "discrimination" as a synonym for "racial prejudice", as OleJeb
pointed out, is a recent adaption in our language.

Discrimination also means 'seeing the actual differences between things'
and 'choosing between different things,' like yesterday I chose only the
ripe and healthy tomatoes at the grocery store. This kind of
discrimination is a *good thing*, and has nothing to do with racial
prejudice.

With no pun intended, in honest sincerity, I don't know, Red, if Jesus
would, or did discriminate.

I don't have a time machine...all I have to go on, is a collection of
interpretations, that were written over 2000 years ago..

By all accounts and stories, he appeared to lead by example, with
tolerance and compassion, even in his death... so without really
knowing, I hazard a guess that to discriminate using the modern term,
was not in his mindset.

Although this is conjecture, and possibly wishful thinking..

Jess, thanks. I think you and Mike might walk the same rope here, he's
just a little farther down the line. Depending on the individual story
line or verse you may be reading, in the New Testament, one can
interpret the writing to see dicrimination. However, the church from
which this campaign extended had taken the mainstream 'overall' belief
that Jesus sufferd and died to save or redeem any sinner, which of
course, every human is. Also, in the overall view of 'mainstream'
christian thought is the bottom line that judgement of others is a sin
as it is God who will judge and only God, as only God knows the degree
of purity in a persons heart and the situations in an individuals life
experience. These are thinks no other person can know, sometimes not
even the individual is aware of all their sins. This is exactly the
reason, Christians believed, in the first place, that Jesus was sent.
So, to view Christianity, anyone who claims to be a Christian, no
matter the denomination, they must understand the consistant theme of
the basic overlay of the faith. This is why certian overall themes are
taught, like the ten commandments, and the reason Jesus, who is God in
the flesh, was born, suffered and died. Any Christian who proposes to
read anything else into the supporting doctrine is a hypocrit to thier
faith, and further, takes that hypocracy into the public arena, which
further subjects them, according to their faith, to the reporcussion of
God as a blasphemor.

the thread question....would jesus discriminate?

my answer, hell yes, why would you think that he didnt, its even in the
bible, go back and reread or read depending on what catagory your in,
either mathew, mark luke or john, you will find discriminations, , , i
know, i have a warm seat in hell waiting for me... yadayada yada, its
all good, thank you but i prefer not to sit in your hell.



doc

Hey doc,
Ya got me on this one - did I read in another post that you are
agnostic? So you've made up your mind about hell but not heaven?
So what is your belief on hell and where is my hell, compared to
yours?

""i know, i have a warm seat in hell waiting for me... yadayada yada,
its all good, thank you but i prefer not to sit in your hell."" quote as
contributed by armydoc