and as bad debaters go, the first thing they do is change the subject.


go figure......

That'd be you. Either in post #13 or #15. Depending on if you could
count 13.

Note: This is to Alada Saddam turn his back on us... Hmmm, let's see if
you start to look at all the Conflicts that U.S has gone into to
irradicate terroristic behaviours basically to the American Public they
see The Government as Heroes. Meanwhile, the countries that we are
invading just because of the might or have intentions of terroristic
activities. That would make us a Terrorist too. The majority of the
Nations that U.S have supported throughout history and time by either
training them or the use or suppling them with weaponary. In my personal
views and plenty more.. The U.S Government acts as if they are trying to
set up a Superior Rulership... Even though we are supposed to live in a
land of freedom and that our wishes for peace is a long time from now.
The only Solution for true world peace is to conquer the world and unite
it under one Leader. Obviously the U.S Government has come to the same
terms and have put that ploy in action. Disarmamnet of Weapons of Mass
Destruction our Government is pleading with everyone that they come in
contact with. But, i don't see us Disarming any of our Weapons of Mass
Destruction. Gee, so what do you think our government is trying to
pull????

guys stop fighting with each other besides i am here fight with me.

Quoting myself: "First of all, there was no name calling, nor insults.
Mr. Beard here only lacks the right tools and have to repeat himself
over and over, and become sarcastic and patronizing. Sarcasm is the
lowest form of wit.

I see here that he is full ideas but lacks the proper arguments, and
that renders his statements useless."

READ THE FIRST SENTENCE OF MY STATEMENT.

Second Sentence means:
lack of proper tools: tools to debate, without resorting to cut and
paste, instead of using actual, proven facts, to back up your opinions.
Refusing to respond and back up your statements with actual facts, not
other's opinions.

And you are becoming patronizing and sarcastic, and since sarcasm is the
lowest form of wit I will not resort to the same antics and just express
myself as if I was talking to highly intelligent individuals. Without
changing the subjects. Go figure.

I do not make excuses for them, for you or for me. I call it as it is.
If the scope of anyone's understanding can't grasp it, none of my fault.

As if they needed me to stand for them.

If you think you might need additional clarification, please feel free
to post.

LMAO well if nothing else this was amusing to read.

Princess, thank you. It is actually pretty amusing to read.

What would be your opinion on the original post? I think we could use a
different point of view, as this debate is going in circles and landing
nowhere.

I'd be happy to fight with you, Eagle. But can you at least do a better
job of it than my other opponents? I'd like to break a sweat, if nothing
else.

well alada

if I said you called me a name and I didnt and couldnt show you that, in
the post then what?


Im just guessing that you would say PA is lying because he did, just
that.

He said I called him names, but yet I didnt and it also changes the
subject, but most of you refuse to see this.


who is unbalenced?

I merely saying that it's a debate on forum of topics each one of us
have. No need to take it to a personal level or feel it has. After, all
if people all think the same then our society wouldn't be as diverse as
it is. One, thought, one mind is a major flaw.. cause now there's no
objectivity.. Have many advancements in the field of science or in what
ever man and woman has done in life just by having different views or
thoughts. You can disagree with my forums or not debate the forum not
the person. One day you never gonna realize it that some **** may come
up the pike and you **** out of luck no friends or allies simply because
you view differ from their own and you decided to make it personal. I
rather have an allies with a different view , or thought then an enemy
who thinks the same as I do...

Attack the debate not each other.

A couple of things here:
To Beard and Poet: You are both adult men and you don't need me to
settle this for you. If you have personal issues, take it outside and
get the tickling over with.

Beard, you need to post your opinion and stop cutting and pasting other
people's opinion and trying to make it pass as facts, when is nothing
else than an opinion.

Poet, you are entitled to read between the lines, and for the record, I
would have been insulted by those remarks myself.

SHADOW:

Bravo! I totally concur with you. Attack the debate, disect the issue
being discussed, not each other. Use the regular tools for debate: good
writing, coherent thoughts, personal opinion, actual proven facts to
back it up, and a lot of stamina to see your point through. Anything
else is unacceptable and degrades the other forum posters.

So please let us go back to the original thread.

JMHO

to alada

my name is bear and whiskey not beard.


but no one should be allowed to lie and say I or you called someone a
name when they didnt.

or say I said they were wrong, when i never said that.

you keep refering to tools to a debate.

Sorry for the misspelling bearandwhisky.

To any activity there is tool... so there are tools for debate.

The rest of what you are talking about is a personal issue betwen you
and Poet... talk it up with him.

to alada

its bearandwhiskey


but, hey im dyslexic and sometimes have bad format. but still.

you never talked about somebody that says I called him a name and I said
he was wrong, when I never did.

that is cruical to the debate.....no?

and the reason is to water-down the original debate and we are falling
for this...no?

but you still spelled my name wrong, but your a great looking woman so
thats ok...and even if not you make some good points.

Ooooohhh! you are dislexic! then that explains it... Do you also suffer
of ADD, which rendrs you incapable of paying attention? It is
disrespectful to misspell a persons name. Now, bearandwhiskey is not
your real name, is it?

Go back a few posts and you will realize that you called me Alda before,
but you admitted that you are dislexic, so there is your defense, I just
have long fingernails.

Now, I see that you have picked a different subject (me) to argue with.
The fact that I am a woman, good looking or not, is of no consequence,
as you might have noticed, or you will shortly find out.

I told you to take your personal issues with Poet up to him, but you
insist in bringing the "liar" issue up to me.

Now you accuse me of watering down the original debate because I will
not acknowledge your claim as I did his. Well, that's a pissing contest
that the two of you are having, and I don't want anything more to say
about it.

If you have anything to say in regards to the original post "Saddam
Hussein was he really that bad", go ahead. Anything else is not worth my
time.

Wow. Alada. Remind me to NEVER get on your bad side. I like my
reproductive attached to the rest of me.

I agree, Shadow. This is a waste of time. Now, back to the game. I
still say that this war was a mistake. We went into it for viable
reasons- not having anything to do with 9/11- but we'd have been better
off as a nation just ignoring Saddam.

If things had gone as planned (as if they ever)- we'd have already
happily washed our hands of all this. The war and rebuilding effort was
poorly planned, poorly fought, and poorly managed.


And as far as I understand it- the gassing was never challenged
anywhere in the international community. If it didn't happen (which
would be a matter of gross misinformation).... heh. However, Saddam did
commit acts of horrible cruelty against kurds that had nothing to do
with chemical weaponry. Does it matter if it's the ordered torching of a
village, or the gassing of it.... genocide is genocide.


We screwed up with the Iraq war. Of that, there is no doubt. But Saddam
was still a monster.

In my defense and anyone that has a brain.

I never called anyone a name and I never told AB he was wrong.

but you can take this however you want to, go with it, run..........