Topic: Former Christian Right Leaders 'Fess up'
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Wed 01/14/09 08:34 PM
Just interesting reading, for those who think the christian right is a warm and fuzzy organization... and those that know better...

Frank Schaeffer spent several years making a good living writing books promoting the Religious Right's worldview and speaking before rapturous crowds of fundamentalist Christians.

Schaeffer, the son of evangelical guru Francis Schaeffer, was the closest thing to a rock star that politically conservative fundamentalism can offer. As the Religious Right soared in the 1980s, Schaeffer was there to ride the wave. Young, bright and charismatic, he could have founded his own Religious Right group or perhaps even launched a political career.

Twenty years have passed. What does Schaeffer think of the Religious Right today? He wouldn't touch it with the proverbial 10-foot pole -- and the feeling is mutual. A spiritual and professional crisis brought Schaeffer to the understanding that the Religious Right has it all wrong.

Continued here http://www.alternet.org/rights/78818/

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Thu 01/15/09 04:04 PM
I heard this guy interviewed on Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now". Ever hear it? You'd probably like her. I try to listen every day.

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Thu 01/15/09 06:36 PM

I heard this guy interviewed on Amy Goodman's "Democracy Now". Ever hear it? You'd probably like her. I try to listen every day.


Not sure I ever heard of her... is she on radio? If so I live in the mountains now (what was I thinking), probably couldn't get it here.

Will see if I can find her oline.... I never payed much attention to what the religious right was up to, never thought they were crazy enough to go this far.. wrongo!

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Thu 01/15/09 06:36 PM
Interesting! Imagine having your eyes blined by faith only to one day wake up and realize your had become part of a diobolical plan for a revolution meant to abolish our republic and put in its place a theocracy. Oooohhh!

It does give one hope though becasue if there are 'some' who were still able to come to these realizations, even after such a staunch indoctrination, then there might yet be others.

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Thu 01/15/09 06:53 PM

Interesting! Imagine having your eyes blined by faith only to one day wake up and realize your had become part of a diobolical plan for a revolution meant to abolish our republic and put in its place a theocracy. Oooohhh!

It does give one hope though becasue if there are 'some' who were still able to come to these realizations, even after such a staunch indoctrination, then there might yet be others.


There are many other's problem is that the church gets them younger and younger, and don't forget all the immigrants and the natives and whom ever they can convert. People in other countries will accept indoctrination just to eat and be clothed. It's pretty scary.

So the few that might see through it might not be enough to prevent being taken over by theocracy..

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Thu 01/15/09 07:11 PM
Well imagine that - another outright discrimination by fundamentalist Christians. They want the religiously protected right to indoctrinate thier own children as well as adopted and foster children, but they would deny the right of lesbians and gay to indoctrinate their own children into the world of homosexuality. :wink: laugh

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Thu 01/15/09 08:26 PM

Well imagine that - another outright discrimination by fundamentalist Christians. They want the religiously protected right to indoctrinate thier own children as well as adopted and foster children, but they would deny the right of lesbians and gay to indoctrinate their own children into the world of homosexuality. :wink: laugh


Ya, I know, amusing isn't it. If I had had a choice as a kid I would have given my right arm to have had a gay family, considering what I did have in a so called christian home. I know three gay families, with kids and those kids are great, smart, well adjusted well behaved and happy. Too bad most don't know about them.

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Thu 01/15/09 08:30 PM

Just interesting reading, for those who think the christian right is a warm and fuzzy organization... and those that know better...

Frank Schaeffer spent several years making a good living writing books promoting the Religious Right's worldview and speaking before rapturous crowds of fundamentalist Christians.

Schaeffer, the son of evangelical guru Francis Schaeffer, was the closest thing to a rock star that politically conservative fundamentalism can offer. As the Religious Right soared in the 1980s, Schaeffer was there to ride the wave. Young, bright and charismatic, he could have founded his own Religious Right group or perhaps even launched a political career.

Twenty years have passed. What does Schaeffer think of the Religious Right today? He wouldn't touch it with the proverbial 10-foot pole -- and the feeling is mutual. A spiritual and professional crisis brought Schaeffer to the understanding that the Religious Right has it all wrong.

Continued here http://www.alternet.org/rights/78818/


Very interesting.

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Thu 01/15/09 08:44 PM
Yes, I found it very interesting, considering I have been out of the loop for so long I had no idea about the Christian right and their agenda. Still amazes me frankly, and there is no shortage of material, it's a bit time consuming but lucky I don't have a lot of work right now so I am digging in so to speak.

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Thu 01/15/09 09:24 PM
"What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not 'conservatives' at all, in the old sense of the word. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries."


"Pat Robertson would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement."


"Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of 'these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They were 'plastic,' Dad said, and 'power-hungry.'"


"There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed -- sort of -- but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn't figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else."


laugh keep it coming boo2u

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Thu 01/15/09 11:04 PM

"What I slowly realized was that the religious-right leaders we were helping to gain power were not 'conservatives' at all, in the old sense of the word. They were anti-American religious revolutionaries."


"Pat Robertson would have had a hard time finding work in any job where hearing voices is not a requirement."


"Long before Ralph Reed and his ilk came on the scene, Dad got sick of 'these idiots' as he often called people like Dobson in private. They were 'plastic,' Dad said, and 'power-hungry.'"


"There were three kinds of evangelical leaders: The dumb or idealistic ones who really believed. The out-and-out charlatans. And the smart ones who still believed -- sort of -- but knew that the evangelical world was sh*t, but who couldn't figure out any way to earn as good a living anywhere else."


laugh keep it coming boo2u


Unfortunately that is absolutely right. I really don't think most christians have any real clue who is really behind their churches.

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Thu 01/15/09 11:36 PM


Well imagine that - another outright discrimination by fundamentalist Christians. They want the religiously protected right to indoctrinate thier own children as well as adopted and foster children, but they would deny the right of lesbians and gay to indoctrinate their own children into the world of homosexuality. :wink: laugh


Ya, I know, amusing isn't it. If I had had a choice as a kid I would have given my right arm to have had a gay family, considering what I did have in a so called christian home. I know three gay families, with kids and those kids are great, smart, well adjusted well behaved and happy. Too bad most don't know about them.


There were 2 gay women with children down the street from me.
Their girls played with my child. Those girls were great. They had friends over from their Lutheran school. Everything seemed just fine - healthy, normal kids.