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Topic: Obama
nogames39's photo
Thu 01/08/09 12:24 AM
Well, I hope that he fails.

But, with an explanation:

I hope he be successful as a good or even great president, of course.

But, if you were asking with regards to what he said he wants to do, then I sincerely hope that he fails.

TJN's photo
Thu 01/08/09 04:50 AM





Are you hoping Obama will succeed or fail?


I'm with TJN on this is saying, i would love to see him succeed since he is our next preseident.

If by "success" you mean start holding congress to our constitution that is...

Unfortunately he is off to a VERY bad start... He's voted to reinstate the patriot act, which overrides the third amendment, he praised the economic stabelization act, which most economist agreed was the worst path for our financial crisis, and now he is trying to organize a group of civilians, "equal to the size and power of our military", to help fight domestic terrorism (anyone remember Hitler's SS?).

I also have trouble ignoring the FACT that he reinstated Clinton's old administration with a handful of Bush's to deal with our current problems. To me, he has already proven that he isn't for "change" before he set foot in office.

On an up side he has pushed to continue with stem cell research:wink: flowerforyou



'now he is trying to organize a group of civilians'

Huh? What's this all about, Drivin?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fO-usAlqak&feature=related

This is Obama himself mentioning it in a speech. The vid is short but check it out...


Is that part of one his speeches before the election?

I saw him speak. He was talked about all of us working together to make our country better.

Just how does he want us all to work together?
I have a job and I am thankful for that.
I pay my taxes and see less and less being done with that money.
What more do they want from us?
Congress needs to pull their heads out and be FOR THE PEOPLE not their own personal gain!

no photo
Thu 01/08/09 05:31 AM
Edited by boo2u on Thu 01/08/09 05:32 AM

“We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded,” - Barak Obama


I found the following:



By John McCormick

Sen. Barack Obama called his fellow citizens to greater public service today, as he outlined several proposals to boost the involvement of Americans both at home and abroad in helping meet the nation's needs.

"Loving your country shouldn't just mean watching fireworks on the 4th of July," he said in a speech in Colorado Springs, Colo. "Loving your country must mean accepting your responsibility to do your part to change it. If you do, your life will be richer, our country will be stronger."

The Illinois Democrat pledged that he would make enhanced public service a central part of his presidency if elected this fall.

"I won't just ask for your vote as a candidate," he said. "I will ask for your service and your active citizenship when I'm president of the United States. This won't be a call issued in one speech or one program. I want this to be a central cause of my presidency. We will ask Americans to serve. We will create new opportunities for Americans to serve."

Obama said he would boost the size of the active military, but that the nation's future depends on more than just additional soldiers.

"It also depends on the teacher in East L.A., or the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school working in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia," he said.

Obama reflected on how the presidencies of Franklin D. Roosevelt and John F. Kennedy both made public service hallmarks of their administration and how the nation was the better for such efforts.

He promised to increase AmeriCorps slots from 75,000 to 250,000 and pledged to double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011.

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set," he said. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

Obama called for greater integration with schools, so that young Americans are better prepared to be active citizens. He said he would make federal assistance conditional on school districts establishing service programs and set the goal of 50 hours of service a year for middle and high school students.

"Just as we teach math and writing, arts and athletics, we need to teach young Americans to take citizenship seriously," he said.

For college students, Obama would set the goal at 100 hours of service a year and repeated his pledge to create a $4,000 annual tax credit for college students that would be tied to that level of service.

Obama said he realizes there will be skeptics who will question how he might possibility be able to get more young people motivated to do public service, but argued the nation's very spirit is tied to greater service.

"Renewing that spirit starts with service," he said. "Make no mistake: our destiny as Americans is tied up with one another. If we are less respected in the world, then you will be less safe. If we keep paying dictators for foreign oil, gas prices are going to keep rising. If we can't give all of our children a world-class education, our economy is going to fall behind. "


I don't see a problem here, a tax break to those that serve in some way to their community?

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 01/08/09 08:22 AM
Yeah,i found that too boo. I like the fact that he wants citizens to get involved. Programs for community service and ways for people to volunteer is exactly what we need.


But it's WHAT they are getting involved with that concerns me.


I was buying it at first, until i looked at what he said again... "National Security Objectives", "National Security Force, "Just as well funded", "Just as powerful", this just sounds similar to Hitler's youth brigade. Maybe i'm just being paranoid as Obama is practically a clone of Bush and Clinton (but can speak way better than Bush).

Check this out...

Jack Cafferty

President-elect Obama has said he wants to establish a civilian security force to assist our already-taxed military. He described it as a national security corps that’s as powerful and well-funded as the U.S. military, and it would take on the national security burden.

Obama made mention of this in a speech in Colorado in July. That speech has since circulated on the Internet. For some reason, the concept scares people. Republican Congressman Paul Broun from Georgia told the Associated Press, that such a move could lead to Marxism.

He said, “That’s exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it’s exactly what the Soviet Union did… When he’s proposing to have a national security force that’s answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he’s showing me signs of being Marxist.”

Broun also said he thinks Obama will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

-CNN


Paul Joseph Watson

Presidential frontrunner Barack Obama has called for a "civilian national security force" as powerful as the U.S. military, comments that were ignored by the vast majority of the corporate media but compared by one journalist to the Nazi Hitler Youth.

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded," Obama told a Colorado Springs audience earlier this month.

World Net Daily editor Joseph Farah asked if he was the only journalist in America who found Obama's statement troubling.

"If we're going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn't this rather a big deal?" wrote Farah.

"Are we talking about creating a police state here? The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn't count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion. Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that? If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?"

KnoxNews.com is seemingly the only other media outlet to express interest in exactly what Obama is proposing.

"The statement was made in the context of youth service. Is this an organization for just the youth or are adults going to participate? How does one get away from the specter of other such "youth" organizations from Nazi Germany and the former Soviet Union when talking about it?" wrote Michael Silence.

Obama's proposal smacks of an expanded version of an existing program in which hundreds of police, firefighters, paramedics and utility workers have been trained and recently dispatched as "Terrorism Liaison Officers" in Colorado, Arizona and California to watch for "suspicious activity" which is later fed into a secret government database.

It is also reminiscent of the supposedly canned 2002 Operation TIPS program, which would have turned 4 per cent of Americans into informants under the jurisdiction of the Justice Department.

TIPS lived on in other guises, such as the Highway Watch program, a $19 billion dollar Homeland Security-run project which trains truckers to watch for suspicious activity on America's highways.

More recently, ABC News reported that "The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort.....to aid with criminal investigations."

Since authorities now define mundane activities like buying baby formula, beer, wearing Levi jeans, carrying identifying documents like a drivers license and traveling with women or children or mentioning the U.S. constitution as the behavior of potential terrorists, the bounty for the American Stasi to turn in political dissidents is sure to be too tempting to resist under Obama's new program.



It seems that many of the sources that pointed out Bush's shortcomings are also pointing out Obama's. My message is not to freak out, but pay close attention as the man is skating a thin line... We do realize the president is merely a figure head and it's congress that needs to change just continue to pay attention, complacency is our enemy and i see way too many people getting complacent.

no photo
Thu 01/08/09 08:23 AM
I would hope that even if people don't like him or didn't vote for him, they'd want him to succeed, as he's going to be the President.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 08:42 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Thu 01/08/09 08:43 AM
He will succeed and all the pessimist will be disappointed!

:thumbsup:

nogames39's photo
Thu 01/08/09 09:54 AM
All of this "helping the military at home" has been tried and tried by every communist dictatorship in the world.

There is no need for any help. Obama knows it. The real reason is to put more Americans on government payroll. With dollar collapse coming, there are going to be riots. Like every dictator, Obama wants more of the people to wear his uniform and be beating up those protesters.

Like Drivingmenutz says, it always ends up with one half of the country exterminating the other half. This would be exactly what any Obama would want, as long as the people are divided and are fighting, he could rule. But it end in destroying the system completely, the stage that every Obama wants to outlive.

Where is this "terrorist" treat?

And, if militia is what he wants, then funding militia is against our constitution, as it supposed to fight the government, not the people.

In short, I see no difference between Obama plans and Hitler.

Fanta46's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:03 AM

All of this "helping the military at home" has been tried and tried by every communist dictatorship in the world.

There is no need for any help. Obama knows it. The real reason is to put more Americans on government payroll. With dollar collapse coming, there are going to be riots. Like every dictator, Obama wants more of the people to wear his uniform and be beating up those protesters.

Like Drivingmenutz says, it always ends up with one half of the country exterminating the other half. This would be exactly what any Obama would want, as long as the people are divided and are fighting, he could rule. But it end in destroying the system completely, the stage that every Obama wants to outlive.

Where is this "terrorist" treat?

And, if militia is what he wants, then funding militia is against our constitution, as it supposed to fight the government, not the people.

In short, I see no difference between Obama plans and Hitler.


LMAO!

PARANOIA!!!!

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:04 AM
Obama like Hitler.shocked noway

nogames39's photo
Thu 01/08/09 10:10 AM
Obama like Hitler.

Hahaha. Doesn't look like? Just wait.

Winx's photo
Thu 01/08/09 01:45 PM

Obama like Hitler.

Hahaha. Doesn't look like? Just wait.


No comparison.

mnhiker's photo
Thu 01/08/09 06:39 PM
I hope he succeeds.

However, I am cautious as to whether or not the stimulus package will succeed.

A lot of various interests will be waiting to get their hands on that money, and I despise the way Washington often treats average, hard working Americans.

I have no particular love for either Democrat or Republican politicians. They're both to blame for the mortgage and banking crises.

You see, their way of fixing these crises was to throw money at the business interests, which they gladly received.

The problem with this was there was little accountability demanded of those they gave the money to, which is a slap in the face to most of us who aren't rich or well connected.

Fiscal responsibility?

It's dead.

Perhaps one day they'll get it and consider that America consists mostly of people who pay their taxes, don't ask for a handout and work hard for their money, unlike a lot of politicians, who seem to be just kowtow, bowing and scraping (and giving in) to wealthy interests.

For your entertainment, the SNL bailout skit that didn't air:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/06/whered-the-snl-bailout-skit-go/

Drivinmenutz's photo
Thu 01/08/09 11:28 PM
Edited by Drivinmenutz on Thu 01/08/09 11:32 PM
drinker drinker Whats up Hiker, long time no see.

Ok back to the comparison of Obama and Hitler... I TRY not to jump to conclusions. I will therefore make no comparisons. But i think people should pay attention to the rise of Hitler, and how he came to exist. As well as how he gained so many followers.

I for one like the fact that Obama is promoting community service. I have long believed that there isn't enough local involvement anymore. You remember grange organizations? People need to participate.

As i also said earlier, i like the fact that he wants to continue stem cell research as the medical possibilities are literally endless.

But when Obama starts to talk about using locals as a "National Security Force, equally powerful to our military and just as well funded" and then plays it off like he's talking about Peace Corps, or Americorps... I'm telling you something isn't right. We should be aware.

The big changes that hurt us don't happen immediately. They take decades. It took 150 years to start a central bank. Another 60 to get us off the gold standard. It also took decades to make certain weapons illegal and they've been slowly restricting them ever since. These are all very much against the constitution for a reason.

The acception to this rule is of course things like the Oklahoma City bombing and 9/11 to bring about things like the patriot act. Little by little the government grows to the point where there are so many agencies we the people can't follow what they are doing.

Schools started to lack funding so they started the department of education to control it. Now, if a school doesn't do, to the letter, what the Department requires of them, their funding is cut.

Little by little, inch by inch. This is what we need to be careful of... This is all i'm saying.

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