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Topic: Appeal to Emotion
TBRich's photo
Wed 01/07/09 08:48 AM
Well, well...

So what does everyone think of the French/Egyptian proposal to settle the current fighting?

Fanta46's photo
Wed 01/07/09 08:50 AM

An article titled "Terror" in He Khazit (The Front, a Lehi underground newspaper) argued as follows:

Neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat. We are very far from having any moral qualms as far as our national war goes. We have before us the command of the Torah, whose morality surpasses that of any other body of laws in the world: "Ye shall blot them out to the last man." But first and foremost, terrorism is for us a part of the political battle being conducted under the present circumstances, and it has a great part to play: speaking in a clear voice to the whole world, as well as to our wretched brethren outside this land, it proclaims our war against the occupier. We are particularly far from this sort of hesitation in regard to an enemy whose moral perversion is admitted by all.

(This, "enemy," is the British and anyone else who stood in their way for the establishment of Israel)



You go girl!

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Wed 01/07/09 08:50 AM

Well, well...

So what does everyone think of the French/Egyptian proposal to settle the current fighting?


remember what happened to Anwar Sadat

Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians want peace. They both want to destroy the other

s1owhand's photo
Wed 01/07/09 08:56 AM


Well, well...

So what does everyone think of the French/Egyptian proposal to settle the current fighting?


remember what happened to Anwar Sadat

Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians want peace. They both want to destroy the other


step in the right direction. but i disagree about what
quiet says. i think israel really does want peace.

sexysweeti's photo
Wed 01/07/09 09:00 AM
i had read those. i had not seen the rather well described
discussion about how the previous ISM descriptions had been
probably fabricated, exaggerated and faked!

after seeing the videos posted above, i am inclined to
believe that the Corrie instance was in fact an accident
but was misreported by her colleagues.


I just joined in this discussion yesterday but i'm not surprised at all that you would buy whatever the IDF says, maybe others who are more objective will do their own research and decide for themselves as I did some years ago. You guys have some very weak arguments in defense of Israel, you do know that don't you? It is obvious to most that Israelis are inhumane, aggressive, liars and thiefs, who could care less about any human lifes but their own and the American Jews were the orchestraters and biggest supporters of the war on Iraq.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 01/07/09 09:01 AM
Edited by Fanta46 on Wed 01/07/09 09:02 AM
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh

What boat did you float in on Slow?
They want it all and will stop at nothing to get it!

s1owhand's photo
Wed 01/07/09 09:05 AM
and that is why they have given back major land concessions over the years...negotiated and respected peace agreements
with Egypt and Jordan...offered Arafat a Palestinian state
and almost everything he wanted in the failed Clinton attempt to resolve the conflict?

c'mon!

laugh

Fanta46's photo
Wed 01/07/09 09:12 AM

and that is why they have given back major land concessions over the years...negotiated and respected peace agreements
with Egypt and Jordan...offered Arafat a Palestinian state
and almost everything he wanted in the failed Clinton attempt to resolve the conflict?

c'mon!

laugh


That's because in 73 if the US hadnt stepped in they would have had their arses handed to them by Egypt!
Almost all their Armor was destroyed and the US rode to their rescue. They immediately rushed Armor, training, and Tow missiles to Israel to stem Egypt's gains. Then negotiated a cease fire!

Thank Uncle Sam and the large Israeli lobbying coalition in Washington!

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Wed 01/07/09 09:22 AM

Well, well...

So what does everyone think of the French/Egyptian proposal to settle the current fighting?


It's about time some of the more moderate Arab nations stepped up. Egypt blames Hamas for the current escalation and realizes that any attempt to hold a ceasefire must address the rockets being fired into Israel by Hamas.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/194801

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/194793

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Wed 01/07/09 09:25 AM



Well, well...

So what does everyone think of the French/Egyptian proposal to settle the current fighting?


remember what happened to Anwar Sadat

Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians want peace. They both want to destroy the other


step in the right direction. but i disagree about what
quiet says. i think israel really does want peace.


If Israel didn't respect life, they wouldn't go to such great lengths to ensure that as few civilians as possible are killed. Their enemies use their own wives and children as human shields and to carry bombs.

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Wed 01/07/09 10:25 AM
"Despite mounting international pressure for an end to hostilities between Israel and Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip, Hamas declared on Wednesday that it would not accept any permanent cease-fire with Israel. "

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231167294753&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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Wed 01/07/09 10:28 AM

"Despite mounting international pressure for an end to hostilities between Israel and Palestinian factions in the Gaza Strip, Hamas declared on Wednesday that it would not accept any permanent cease-fire with Israel. "

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231167294753&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


That's the Jerusalem Post, sorry, but the Jew haters are just going to reject that as Jewish propaganda.

Fanta46's photo
Wed 01/07/09 10:37 AM
NOooooooooooooooo:wink:

Gotta go!

See ya slow!drinker

Geez, I wonder how many Palestinian children will die tonight while Im at work.........sad sad tears

Winx's photo
Wed 01/07/09 10:47 AM

The "Palestinian" cause is the worlds greatest appeal to emotion fallacy. In what other situation could one nation defending itself from relentless rocket and homicide bomber attacks be considered the aggressor? Those who support the Palestinian cause always resort to saying "But what about the kids!" as if Israeli children's lives have no value. The only way that anyone can support the Palestinians over the Israelis is by believing the Palestinian's own distorted history. If you take the time to look at the actual history and what is actually happening there, then you get a completely different view on the subject.

So I'm wondering how many people who oppose Israel's right to defend her people do so because they have been fooled and how many do so because they are Jew haters.


You're saying that if some opposing Israel's attacks, they are Jew haters. shocked

That's garbage!

I wish that they both would stop what they're doing.

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Wed 01/07/09 11:10 AM


The "Palestinian" cause is the worlds greatest appeal to emotion fallacy. In what other situation could one nation defending itself from relentless rocket and homicide bomber attacks be considered the aggressor? Those who support the Palestinian cause always resort to saying "But what about the kids!" as if Israeli children's lives have no value. The only way that anyone can support the Palestinians over the Israelis is by believing the Palestinian's own distorted history. If you take the time to look at the actual history and what is actually happening there, then you get a completely different view on the subject.

So I'm wondering how many people who oppose Israel's right to defend her people do so because they have been fooled and how many do so because they are Jew haters.


You're saying that if some opposing Israel's attacks, they are Jew haters. shocked

That's garbage!

I wish that they both would stop what they're doing.


And if the Palestinians don't stop? What then? Should the Israelis stop protecting themselves?

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Wed 01/07/09 12:45 PM
Assuming complete innocence on either side is a mistake, but calling people Jew haters because they deplore the over the top aggression of one side is ignorant.

Just like there are people that still hate blacks, there will always be people that hate jews as well. But in this instance it's ridiculous to assume those against unbalanced agression are all haters. How convenient to use racism as an excuse to remain ignorant.

Since when has history always been absolutely correct. Prejudice is evil, and so is ignorance that condones this imbalance.

Winx's photo
Wed 01/07/09 12:50 PM

Assuming complete innocence on either side is a mistake, but calling people Jew haters because they deplore the over the top aggression of one side is ignorant.

Just like there are people that still hate blacks, there will always be people that hate jews as well. But in this instance it's ridiculous to assume those against unbalanced agression are all haters. How convenient to use racism as an excuse to remain ignorant.

Since when has history always been absolutely correct. Prejudice is evil, and so is ignorance that condones this imbalance.


Very well said.

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Wed 01/07/09 12:50 PM

Assuming complete innocence on either side is a mistake, but calling people Jew haters because they deplore the over the top aggression of one side is ignorant.

Just like there are people that still hate blacks, there will always be people that hate jews as well. But in this instance it's ridiculous to assume those against unbalanced agression are all haters. How convenient to use racism as an excuse to remain ignorant.

Since when has history always been absolutely correct. Prejudice is evil, and so is ignorance that condones this imbalance.


Israel was under attack for SIX MONTHS before they retaliated. Oh and that's for six month AFTER they signed a peace agreement with their attackers.

Their response is totally justified, completely legal and the moral and ethical thing to do. Israel has a responsibility to protect the Israelis. They have tried reason and threats to get Hamas to stop the attacks, they have had to resort to violence. And now the Jew haters come out and attack Israel for defending itself. Where were these "concerned citizens of the world" when Israel was under attack for six months? Silent as church mice and rejoining at every Israeli death would be my guess.

Winx's photo
Wed 01/07/09 12:54 PM



The "Palestinian" cause is the worlds greatest appeal to emotion fallacy. In what other situation could one nation defending itself from relentless rocket and homicide bomber attacks be considered the aggressor? Those who support the Palestinian cause always resort to saying "But what about the kids!" as if Israeli children's lives have no value. The only way that anyone can support the Palestinians over the Israelis is by believing the Palestinian's own distorted history. If you take the time to look at the actual history and what is actually happening there, then you get a completely different view on the subject.

So I'm wondering how many people who oppose Israel's right to defend her people do so because they have been fooled and how many do so because they are Jew haters.


You're saying that if some opposing Israel's attacks, they are Jew haters. shocked

That's garbage!

I wish that they both would stop what they're doing.


And if the Palestinians don't stop? What then? Should the Israelis stop protecting themselves?


What does your question have to do with me saying that it's garbage for those people to be called Jew haters and for me wishing that both sides would stop?

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Wed 01/07/09 01:03 PM
Israel was under attack for SIX MONTHS before they retaliated. Oh and that's for six month AFTER they signed a peace agreement with their attackers.

Their response is totally justified, completely legal and the moral and ethical thing to do. Israel has a responsibility to protect the Israelis. They have tried reason and threats to get Hamas to stop the attacks, they have had to resort to violence. And now the Jew haters come out and attack Israel for defending itself. Where were these "concerned citizens of the world" when Israel was under attack for six months? Silent as church mice and rejoining at every Israeli death would be my guess.


Well there isn't much more one can say then....

I think the world has just about had it with over the top responses from all Governments. Regular every day people are sick to death of their leaders hiding behind their seats of power while ordinary people are killed every where. People that have no interest in fighting over resources and land endlessly.

Our governments want us to believe what they want us to believe and so far we do, it seems.

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