Topic: Should a religious text or book
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Mon 01/05/09 07:59 AM
Edited by smiless on Mon 01/05/09 08:00 AM
Should religious books have negative words in it like zealout, infidel, embezzle, hatred, jealousy, war, and so forth in it?

Is it written because humans have these traits in them already that such writings need to be written in the book to teach how to control these emotions?

For Christian believers: If this is to be true then are we not a product of the devil and god combined?

For Realists: Does this mean that the people who wrote these books had such feelings themselves to write about them at the time?

For non-believers of such writings: Is this a indication or (proof) that these books where written by men with their own minds and not from a God's inspiration. For isn't a God suppose to teach good qualities without the use of negative wording in its teachings.

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Mon 01/05/09 08:54 AM
Edited by CircuitRider on Mon 01/05/09 08:56 AM
I take it that you are primarily referring to the Judeo - Christian Book - The Bible?

The Bible is a book of the history of Judeo-Christians.....

What's the difference in religious books, and the history of the rest of the world that try to teach morals?

ie: U. S. History.

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Mon 01/05/09 09:15 AM
Edited by smiless on Mon 01/05/09 09:20 AM

I take it that you are primarily referring to the Judeo - Christian Book - The Bible?

The Bible is a book of the history of Judeo-Christians.....

What's the difference in religious books, and the history of the rest of the world that try to teach morals?

ie: U. S. History.



I was talking about any religious text book not only the Christians, but let us talk about that now.

If the bible is a history book and not the inspired words of God then shouldn't it be seperated from both?

For example the history of Judeo-Christians should be in a history book

and the bible should be the words God inspires onto us.

If the bible is Gods words, shouldn't it be written to the extent that negative wording and thoughts shouldn't be mentioned in it to bring a more believable aspect that it is the actually words of God?

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Mon 01/05/09 09:26 AM
Be fearless and pure; never waver in your determination or your dedication to the spiritual life. Give freely. Be self-controlled, sincere, truthful, loving, and full of the desire to serve...Learn to be detached and to take joy in renunciation. Do not get angry or harm any living creature, but be compassionate and gentle; show good will to all. Cultivate vigor, patience, will, purity; avoid malice and pride. Then, you will achieve your destiny.

-Krishna, Bhagavad Gita

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Mon 01/05/09 09:59 AM

Be fearless and pure; never waver in your determination or your dedication to the spiritual life. Give freely. Be self-controlled, sincere, truthful, loving, and full of the desire to serve...Learn to be detached and to take joy in renunciation. Do not get angry or harm any living creature, but be compassionate and gentle; show good will to all. Cultivate vigor, patience, will, purity; avoid malice and pride. Then, you will achieve your destiny.

-Krishna, Bhagavad Gita


flowerforyou flowerforyou May this individual souls wisdom blossom to many around the worldflowerforyou

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Mon 01/05/09 10:17 AM
Edited by CircuitRider on Mon 01/05/09 10:20 AM


I take it that you are primarily referring to the Judeo - Christian Book - The Bible?

The Bible is a book of the history of Judeo-Christians.....

What's the difference in religious books, and the history of the rest of the world that try to teach morals?

ie: U. S. History.



I was talking about any religious text book not only the Christians, but let us talk about that now.

If the bible is a history book and not the inspired words of God then shouldn't it be seperated from both?

For example the history of Judeo-Christians should be in a history book

and the bible should be the words God inspires onto us.

If the bible is Gods words, shouldn't it be written to the extent that negative wording and thoughts shouldn't be mentioned in it to bring a more believable aspect that it is the actually words of God?



The Bible is both The Inspired Word of God, and a history book....

Mankind in general, fell from the Grace of God. In order to lead mankind to an understanding of the power of Grace and Faith, God used the most logical tool at His disposal to teach mankind the consquences of his actions?...

Do we not teach our children cause and effect of wrongdoing 'Unrighteousness', and the rewards of doing good? What other, better method is there to teach them?


"For Christian believers: If this is to be true then are we not a product of the devil and god combined?"

That answer is contained in Gensis 3. Mankind decided to be like God.... in other words, be "Too Grown - up for their age."



"For Realists: Does this mean that the people who wrote these books had such feelings themselves to write about them at the time?"

The feelings you are describing is The Spirit of God.

Genesis 2:7
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.



As to non-believers, God does not reveal Himself or Messiah, Christ to everyone......

I'm sure He has His reasons, which are not ours to question...


Isaiah 29:16

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

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Mon 01/05/09 12:21 PM
Edited by skypoetone on Mon 01/05/09 12:52 PM
The Bible is both The Inspired Word of God, and a history book....


Oh and you know this because?

The Bible is a relatively new series of stories taken from much older religious texts, i.e. origin probably Egyptian. As for being history, yes and no... yes, some name places existed and no others did not; some people existed and some did not - it's historical and political propaganda. flowerforyou

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Mon 01/05/09 12:51 PM
Prometheus: son of the sky god Zeus who came down to earth to give a gift to mankind (fire). Was nailed to a wall and suffered for it, until he was resurrected by the will of his father.

Apollonius of Tyana: Philosoper in Greece, claimed by his followers to heal the sick and raise the dead, taken to trial by Romans, followers claimed to have seen him resurrected.

New Testament: Initially written in Greek, and much later than these two stories.

Coincidence?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080814114545AAmmPvm
All based on mythology.

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Mon 01/05/09 01:18 PM
Edited by CircuitRider on Mon 01/05/09 01:22 PM

The Bible is both The Inspired Word of God, and a history book....


Oh and you know this because?

The Bible is a relatively new series of stories taken from much older religious texts, i.e. Egyptian. As for being history, yes and no... yes, some name places existed and no others did not; some people existed and some did not - it's historical and political propaganda. flowerforyou



Your profile indicates you are a Christian - Other.

In all my years of study and meeting millions of people who Profess Christianity, I have never heard one person say other than they accept The Bible as written by men, inspired by the Word of God.


So, you're discounting the possibility that the Bible contains the Real Truth vs hearsay about events, etc., as accounted in older writings?

As for names and places that "Never existed", we have absolute, concrete, real, indisputable proof of that - right?


Feb. 5, 1992...The lost city of Ubar, called "the Atlantis of the Sands" by Lawrence of Arabia, has been found in remote southern Oman using pictures taken from space shuttle Challenger, explorers said Tuesday.



Full article

http://www.islam101.com/archeology/ubar.html


And, there are more like that....flowerforyou

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Mon 01/05/09 01:36 PM
Edited by skypoetone on Mon 01/05/09 01:37 PM
Your profile indicates you are a Christian - Other.

In all my years of study and meeting millions of people who Profess Christianity, I have never heard one person say otherwise.


And I’ve met many Christians more Christian than “Christians” – it depnds on your concept what a Christian is doesn’t it? :)

So, you're discounting the possibility that the Bible contains the Real Truth vs hearsay about events, etc., as accounted in older writings?


I’m saying that the bible was written based on earlier mythical tales.

As for names and places that "Never existed", we have absolute, concrete, real, indisputable proof of that - right?


As in most fictional texts, names and places are changed… nothing unusual about that.

Feb. 5, 1992...The lost city of Ubar, called "the Atlantis of the Sands" by Lawrence of Arabia, has been found in remote southern Oman using pictures taken from space shuttle Challenger, explorers said Tuesday.


Much the same was said about the lost city of Atlantis… is this also true?
Sources: 'Looking for lost riches in Cuba's seas: Underwater surveyors say they may have found sunken city', Reuters report dated Havana, 14 May, 2001

www.andrewcollins.com/page/articles/lostcity.htm

And there are more like this too. ohwell