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Topic: Not Good.
Winx's photo
Wed 12/17/08 09:26 PM

One of my favorites is when I'm researching something.. Firefox has persistent sticky notes and highlighters.. I can place a sticky note on a page, or highlight text.. leave come back.. reboot.. whatever.. and my notes stay.. great for school work. and the Cooliris preview.. allows you to see the page before you click on the link to it.....


I have Firefox and I don't know how to do that. tears

SamaraNJ's photo
Wed 12/17/08 09:27 PM
Edited by SamaraNJ on Wed 12/17/08 09:28 PM


One of my favorites is when I'm researching something.. Firefox has persistent sticky notes and highlighters.. I can place a sticky note on a page, or highlight text.. leave come back.. reboot.. whatever.. and my notes stay.. great for school work. and the Cooliris preview.. allows you to see the page before you click on the link to it.....


I have Firefox and I don't know how to do that. tears


just download the plug in.. then new options pop up when you right click your mouse... go to firefox.com and check out 'add-ons'


one thing though.. not all add-ons work on all versions..**

Winx's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:15 PM



One of my favorites is when I'm researching something.. Firefox has persistent sticky notes and highlighters.. I can place a sticky note on a page, or highlight text.. leave come back.. reboot.. whatever.. and my notes stay.. great for school work. and the Cooliris preview.. allows you to see the page before you click on the link to it.....


I have Firefox and I don't know how to do that. tears


just download the plug in.. then new options pop up when you right click your mouse... go to firefox.com and check out 'add-ons'


one thing though.. not all add-ons work on all versions..**


I will. Thanks.happy flowerforyou

MirrorMirror's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:37 PM




One of my favorites is when I'm researching something.. Firefox has persistent sticky notes and highlighters.. I can place a sticky note on a page, or highlight text.. leave come back.. reboot.. whatever.. and my notes stay.. great for school work. and the Cooliris preview.. allows you to see the page before you click on the link to it.....


I have Firefox and I don't know how to do that. tears


just download the plug in.. then new options pop up when you right click your mouse... go to firefox.com and check out 'add-ons'


one thing though.. not all add-ons work on all versions..**


I will. Thanks.happy flowerforyou
drinker bigsmile drinker

FearandLoathing's photo
Wed 12/17/08 10:53 PM
Microsoft doesn't release source...biggest and greatest flaw of IE is that no one can really create any programs to help it performance wise...hell, even games have that one down.

adj4u's photo
Wed 12/17/08 11:14 PM


so if some one says

i tried green beans four years ago and they tasted terrible

that means that you can say that you know someone that likes them

thus you are an uniformed idiot

i think not

there are warnings everywhere about i e not being secure

if it was they would not have to keep making upgrades to fix it

what other browsers have you used

or do you only use i e

thus making your post effectively about you in reverse

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

i avoid i e like the plaque because it is one

drinker drinker


again, I hate being put into the position of defending IE... so, I'm not going to... infact, the main idea of my statement had little to nothing to do with IE. It was about making general statements with no substance..

and in regards to your greenbean analogy.. it's not a good analogy for the context of my statement, and the one prior. As in your analogy you gave a specification (taste), and since your analogy reference is an opinion based 'solely' on interpetation in relativity to how that person likes or dislikes greenbeans, it's an irrefutible arguement to suggest otherwise. If I can take your analogy further, If a person were to say, "Greenbeans suck!"... wouldn't you need further clarification of why it sucks? Or would you just make presumptions. What if he never tasted them? What if he thought they sucked simply because he read on an OpenSource supporter community tech website that they did. Not ever having researched why? THAT, would make that person ignorant. ( not neccessarily a uniformed or uninformed idiot )


I didn't allow for an explaination, when the lack of explaination triggered my rant. But than again, since the point of my rant was to point out making statements with the lack of explaination were trivial and uninformative, and not neccessarily to the point of gaining further clarification on such as statement. I would say, irregardless of whether he has legitament claims for why it sucks, he was still suggesting so in an uninformative manner, and should probably make that correction in future statements.

I'm not sure if I can make this point more clear, It's not what you know.. it's how you communicate it. If a person has knowledge on a topic, they usually, and rightfully, offer that knowledge. These kind of statements on this topic, namely browser preference, are ALL TOO COMMONLY GENERALIZED, and lack specifics. That is the reason for my rant.

By the way, I already remarked on the Topic poster's article reference on that 'security flaw' of IE. I'm also going to reference your own statement in Queen's post a week back when she claimed that Macintosh was virus free... It's a program, and the only reason you hear more warnings about Microsoft's IE flaws, is because it's a target of the OpenSource community and his highly utilized, so it's a market ploy. It's a point of perception, where most people who make these discoveries are attempting to find them. It takes the attempt, to find it. People are just not attempting, or reporting the flaws in these other Browsers as frequently. EVERY program is vulnerble to security flaws. Like the articles suggested 'flaw', there are many IE flaws that are dependent on a circumstances(i.e. a system that was already compromised and a feature that is being utilized) inorder to utilize an exposed security flaw. The fact of the matter is IE's security is constantly being tested, and reported. These other browsers are not. Instead they are focusing on features and speed, which makes them highly appealing. Don't take these things on face value, try to be a little more skeptical in what you read. Research a bit.




"I'm not a FAN of any browser, or operating system for that matter. They are programs. It can't 'suck' by any means, in either the literal, or implied, manner."


did you just disregard my statement here, I don't have a preference. I see them as tools. When I program Jscript, I use IE. When I program Javascript, I use Firefox. When I program ECMAscript I use both.

When I check my mail, I use Firefox. When I check myspace I use IE. I use them both frequently.

And as far as what I've read, both Opera 9.5 and Safari 3.1 are much faster, reliable, and secure than both IE 8.0 beta and Firefox 3.0 beta, but they aren't as utilized, or have the community support for that matter, so I don't code with them in mind. Hench, I have no need to use them, and don't.

And, I am now looking forward to checking out Google Chrome, because I'm thinking it's going to take the market right out from underneath Firefox, IE, and Opera. Safari is pretty well safe I think, as it's the fastest browser out right now, and it isn't a 3rd party browsers (except the windows version of course).





out take from your post



THAT, would make that person ignorant. ( not neccessarily a uniformed or uninformed idiot )




ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


interesting

are you so informed about everything you post

drinker

no photo
Thu 12/18/08 05:47 AM



so if some one says

i tried green beans four years ago and they tasted terrible

that means that you can say that you know someone that likes them

thus you are an uniformed idiot

i think not

there are warnings everywhere about i e not being secure

if it was they would not have to keep making upgrades to fix it

what other browsers have you used

or do you only use i e

thus making your post effectively about you in reverse

just a thought

but hey

what do i know

i avoid i e like the plaque because it is one

drinker drinker


again, I hate being put into the position of defending IE... so, I'm not going to... infact, the main idea of my statement had little to nothing to do with IE. It was about making general statements with no substance..

and in regards to your greenbean analogy.. it's not a good analogy for the context of my statement, and the one prior. As in your analogy you gave a specification (taste), and since your analogy reference is an opinion based 'solely' on interpetation in relativity to how that person likes or dislikes greenbeans, it's an irrefutible arguement to suggest otherwise. If I can take your analogy further, If a person were to say, "Greenbeans suck!"... wouldn't you need further clarification of why it sucks? Or would you just make presumptions. What if he never tasted them? What if he thought they sucked simply because he read on an OpenSource supporter community tech website that they did. Not ever having researched why? THAT, would make that person ignorant. ( not neccessarily a uniformed or uninformed idiot )


I didn't allow for an explaination, when the lack of explaination triggered my rant. But than again, since the point of my rant was to point out making statements with the lack of explaination were trivial and uninformative, and not neccessarily to the point of gaining further clarification on such as statement. I would say, irregardless of whether he has legitament claims for why it sucks, he was still suggesting so in an uninformative manner, and should probably make that correction in future statements.

I'm not sure if I can make this point more clear, It's not what you know.. it's how you communicate it. If a person has knowledge on a topic, they usually, and rightfully, offer that knowledge. These kind of statements on this topic, namely browser preference, are ALL TOO COMMONLY GENERALIZED, and lack specifics. That is the reason for my rant.

By the way, I already remarked on the Topic poster's article reference on that 'security flaw' of IE. I'm also going to reference your own statement in Queen's post a week back when she claimed that Macintosh was virus free... It's a program, and the only reason you hear more warnings about Microsoft's IE flaws, is because it's a target of the OpenSource community and his highly utilized, so it's a market ploy. It's a point of perception, where most people who make these discoveries are attempting to find them. It takes the attempt, to find it. People are just not attempting, or reporting the flaws in these other Browsers as frequently. EVERY program is vulnerble to security flaws. Like the articles suggested 'flaw', there are many IE flaws that are dependent on a circumstances(i.e. a system that was already compromised and a feature that is being utilized) inorder to utilize an exposed security flaw. The fact of the matter is IE's security is constantly being tested, and reported. These other browsers are not. Instead they are focusing on features and speed, which makes them highly appealing. Don't take these things on face value, try to be a little more skeptical in what you read. Research a bit.




"I'm not a FAN of any browser, or operating system for that matter. They are programs. It can't 'suck' by any means, in either the literal, or implied, manner."


did you just disregard my statement here, I don't have a preference. I see them as tools. When I program Jscript, I use IE. When I program Javascript, I use Firefox. When I program ECMAscript I use both.

When I check my mail, I use Firefox. When I check myspace I use IE. I use them both frequently.

And as far as what I've read, both Opera 9.5 and Safari 3.1 are much faster, reliable, and secure than both IE 8.0 beta and Firefox 3.0 beta, but they aren't as utilized, or have the community support for that matter, so I don't code with them in mind. Hench, I have no need to use them, and don't.

And, I am now looking forward to checking out Google Chrome, because I'm thinking it's going to take the market right out from underneath Firefox, IE, and Opera. Safari is pretty well safe I think, as it's the fastest browser out right now, and it isn't a 3rd party browsers (except the windows version of course).





out take from your post



THAT, would make that person ignorant. ( not neccessarily a uniformed or uninformed idiot )




ig·no·rant (gnr-nt)
adj.
1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


interesting

are you so informed about everything you post

drinker
Hi there friend long time no chat!!! I hate that word when being used in an argument. To me that's why we do argue is to obtain knowledge!!

adj4u's photo
Thu 12/18/08 08:47 AM
no you argue to make a point

you debate to over come ignorance

i hear some people here debate both sides on occasion

just to get more input on the issue

that is an interesting concept

Winx's photo
Thu 12/18/08 09:13 AM

no you argue to make a point

you debate to over come ignorance

i hear some people here debate both sides on occasion

just to get more input on the issue

that is an interesting concept


All that I wanted to do was inform others about the current security risk with IE. And look at what happened.slaphead

Until a few months ago I ago I had IE, btw.

wiley's photo
Thu 12/18/08 10:02 AM
Edited by wiley on Thu 12/18/08 10:10 AM
Even MS admits IE is flawed. That's why they release a new patch for it every few days.

adj4u's photo
Fri 12/19/08 03:46 AM


no you argue to make a point

you debate to over come ignorance

i hear some people here debate both sides on occasion

just to get more input on the issue

that is an interesting concept


All that I wanted to do was inform others about the current security risk with IE. And look at what happened.slaphead

Until a few months ago I ago I had IE, btw.



you did good

flowers flowers flowers

Winx's photo
Fri 12/19/08 07:43 AM
Edited by Winx on Fri 12/19/08 07:44 AM



no you argue to make a point

you debate to over come ignorance

i hear some people here debate both sides on occasion

just to get more input on the issue

that is an interesting concept


All that I wanted to do was inform others about the current security risk with IE. And look at what happened.slaphead

Until a few months ago I ago I had IE, btw.



you did good

flowers flowers flowers


Thanks, Adj4u.bigsmile flowers

It was looking ugly there for a minute.



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