Oh please.

The only reason I got into this with you in the first place is because you accused me of not being willing to accept responsibly for 100% of everything that happens to me.

Then I suggested that some things just happen by random chance an no blame is required. It rains on the good and the bad equally.

But no, you INSIST that I am responsible for 100% of everything that happens to me.

That's BLAME honey.

Face it.

A rose is a rose by any other name.

Look Jeannie, it's like that:

We all are very different personalities, and we all see things different. And I see a difference in simply stating my opinion on something, and trying to convince every one else to see things my way. It simply doesn't work that way, because at the end of the day,

WE ARE BOUND TO SEE THINGS DIFFERENT

You can't call anyone a liar because he/she does, nor would anyone here call you a liar for seeing things the way you do.
I accept your opinion the way you state it. Doesn't mean though that I have to change mine to match yours.

I'm asking questions because I want to get to know a person, not because I want to change.

That's an interesting point John.

We all have different perceptions.

You read this thread and percieve hostility. But eveyrone who is participating in the thread may not perceive it the same way.

Just because their are disagreements doesn't automatically equate to hostile feelings.

There are people who can disagree without feeling hostile about it.

So are you attracting hostile feelings toward youself simply by percieving something to be hostile?

What if it really isn't hostile and it's just your perception?

Then you're creating hostility out of nothing.

Shame on you John.

Bad boy!

Go to your room!

Well, that was one thing I was trying to get at early on too.

Is what Gloria Jean says about the Law of Attraction, truly what all proponents of the Law of Attraction hold?

Or do some proponents of the Law of Attraction not feel so firmly on this issue?

I haven't read about it that much to know if this is the standard view, or whether this is just Jeannie's own interpretation of it.

I knew that the Law of Attraction claims that we can take control of our future. And I know that in that video called "The Secret" they try to claim that you've attracted your current status to you.

But I wasn't aware that they held such a strong few that you're responsible for 100% of everything that happens to you.

I personally just feel that this is problematic in so many ways.

It's not a matter of being personally distasteful to me.

I just don't see how it can possible be the case, and I think I've already given examples of why I feel that it can't be the case.

Too many people would need to take part in the same attraction, like when a plane full of over a hundred people crash. If we draw 100% of what happens to us into our lives then every single person on that plane had to have attracted that crash.

That just makes absolutely no sense to me.

It's not a matter of finding it to be personally distastful, or trying to avoid blame.

I just don't see how it could possibly work.

It just isn't reasonable to me.

It sounds like one person's interpretation unless clearly it can be demonstrated that someone else feels this way.

I don’t disagree with the existence of the Law of Attraction.

I simply find some degree of error in the conclusions that are being presented.

That's the way I feel too.

Hey I got some attention! I am celeberating now

Well you are right I just gathered these words so far in this discussion about the laws of attraction.

murderer, rapist, liar, self blame, blame - blame , take your remark and shove it, combative stance, feelings of resentment, resentful, selling ideas, felt offended, bold face liar, liar in general, blame again , negative, and I didn't even got half way through the threads!!

So yeah I guess I could see them as positive thoughts

Going to my room now James

Get out of here, Smiless!! Just kidding.

yeah going to my room now

I don't see it as "blame." 'Blame' is a negative idea.

It is 'cause and effect."

Accepting consequences (and responsibility) is simply realizing that there is a 'cause' for every thing.

But as people run from responsibility they look to avoid this nasty thing they call 'blame."

Did I 'accuse' you of not accepting 100% responsibility for everything? Do you accept 100% responsibility for everything in your experience? You either do or you do not.

There is no accusation here. It is what you told me. You told me outright that you do not. You suggested that things happen by random chance an no 'blame' (cause) is required.

But what causes are behind random chance? I assert that randomness is caused by the will of other conscious beings.

And that was his opinion. And he said I was "selling" my ideas. I did not agree that I was "selling them" at that time.

But I realize now that was probably what I was doing in defense of my position after he went on and on about how "wrong" I am.

And I also realize that I have no reason to defend my self or my opinion or my ideas. That is where I made a personal and egotistical mistake.

That is why I agreed with you that it was me that was telling a lie. So why do you persist in debating the issue when I agree with you?





That is your opinion of course. But I feel I am right. I also now realize that it is not necessary for me to prove to you or to Abra that I am right, since it seems to get you both in an uproar and you are both convinced that I am wrong and nothing I can say will prove otherwise.

So you can just go on with your lives believing that Jeanniebean is wrong all you want. It is none of my business.




Of course you do. I have never implied you didn't.

I'm not about to post mathematical explanations for randomness.

Although I have done that quite a few times in the past though.

To make it short there are three source of randomness in this universe.

1. The original toss of the dice at the Big Bang.
2. Dynamic Quantum randomness.
3. The Butterfly effect.

I personally believe that all three of these concepts are quite valid explanations for how randomness can arise.

Number 3 best fits in with "the will of other conscious beings".

We are all creating randomness for everyone around us. We don't do it purposefully, nor are we even necessarly aware that we are doing it. None the less we create randomness for others all the time in everything we do, especially when we interact with others.

I have no problem with randomness existing in this world. I see three very clear sources of randomness.

The mere fact that you're living in the world with other people creates randomness for you all the time. The world is never the same as it was. Everytime you go out, you find things to be slightly different. Even weather conditions bring randomness into your life.

Randomness is everywhere.

Oh come on Jeannie.

You LOVE to debate!

You're not on these forums to try out for ballet dancing.

JB said;



Look, you may have read this in some New Age book you picked up. Fine. Then give us the link so that we can see that another objective source finds your conclusions to be on some sort of firm ground.

You have not done that unless I missed it.

So Abra and I have clearly shown where we find your logic to be flawed. So as far as I can tell, you are off base. You can argue till the cows come home.

I disagree. It’s not even relevant or important. You are making it into this huge issue. I could not care less what JB chooses to believe as it concerns the Law of Attraction just don’t call people liars over the course of espousing your rhetoric. Something like this would hardly lead to an uproar. You would have to offer me more than biased personal opinion and agenda to even cause me to bat an eyelash at you.

Yes I like to debate, but I know when the effort becomes pointless.

That's when people have made up their minds and no longer listen or consider the other person's point of view.

I listened to Krimsa when she said I had some other motive for creating this post other than being 100% altruistic and wanting to help other people understand the Law of Attraction and how they attract bad things into their experience.

I considered that. I agreed. I also agreed that I was probably trying to "sell" the idea to prove that I am right to other people.

That could be true too.

A silly pointless motive when everyone has already made up their minds. A waste of time and energy.

Now I also think they you are trying to prove that I am wrong. Pointless.

I might be, but I doubt that you can prove it with your pathetic examples of innocent people having horrible things happen to them. That is using sensationalism and emotions to drive home your point. It won't work. It doesn't fly. It is emotionalism, not logic.

I have on many occasions recommended certain books (as apposed to others.)

No one that I know of has actually read them that I can see.

So I'm not going to recommend them again because I am tired of being told that I am trying to push my philosophy down other people's throats or that I am selling something.

I'm not.

If any of you actually do decide to pick up any of these books and read them, then we can start a book discussion on some thread about that particular writing.

You are still wrong however.

And do any of these books reach the same conclusions you are expressing here? Or are you drawing from what you deduced over the course of reading these books? If you are simply regurgitating what you have already read, then I will leave it alone.

What you do is your business. You will have to draw your own conclusions.

I don't regurgitate.

I puke.

So...? Okay. Good deal, whatever. Its like talking to a room full of smoke and mirrors.