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Topic: Pastor Who Helped Get "Under God" In Pledge Dies
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Mon 12/01/08 10:44 PM
This reminded me of the people that forget when "Under God" was put into the Pledge of Allegiance. The man was born in Scotland.

Sat Nov 29, 5:19 pm ET
ALEXANDRIA, Pa. – The Rev. George M. Docherty, credited with helping to push Congress to insert the phrase "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance, has died at 97.

Docherty died on Thanksgiving at his home in central Pennsylvania, according to his wife, Sue Docherty.

She said her husband of 36 years had been in failing health for about three years.

"George said he was going to live to be a hundred and he was determined," she said in a telephone interview Saturday. "It's amazing that he was with us this long."

Docherty, then pastor of the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, just blocks from the White House, gave a sermon in 1952 saying the pledge should acknowledge God.

He was born in Glasgow, Scotland, and was unfamiliar with the pledge until he heard it recited by his 7-year-old son, Garth.

"I didn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance was, and he recited it, 'one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,'" he recalled in an interview with The Associated Press in 2004. "I came from Scotland, where we said 'God save our gracious queen,' 'God save our gracious king.' Here was the Pledge of Allegiance, and God wasn't in it at all."

There was little effect from that initial sermon, but he delivered it again on Feb. 7, 1954, after learning that President Dwight Eisenhower would be at the church.

The next day, Rep. Charles G. Oakman, R-Mich., introduced a bill to add the phrase "under God" to the pledge, and a companion bill was introduced in the Senate. Eisenhower signed the law on Flag Day that year.


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Mon 12/01/08 10:51 PM

This reminded me of the people that forget when "Under God" was put into the Pledge of Allegiance. The man was born in Scotland.

Sat Nov 29, 5:19 pm ET
ALEXANDRIA, Pa. – The Rev. George M. Docherty, credited with helping to push Congress to insert the phrase "under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance, has died at 97.

Docherty died on Thanksgiving at his home in central Pennsylvania, according to his wife, Sue Docherty.

She said her husband of 36 years had been in failing health for about three years.

"George said he was going to live to be a hundred and he was determined," she said in a telephone interview Saturday. "It's amazing that he was with us this long."

Docherty, then pastor of the New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in Washington, just blocks from the White House, gave a sermon in 1952 saying the pledge should acknowledge God.

He was born in Glasgow, Scotland, and was unfamiliar with the pledge until he heard it recited by his 7-year-old son, Garth.

"I didn't know that the Pledge of Allegiance was, and he recited it, 'one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all,'" he recalled in an interview with The Associated Press in 2004. "I came from Scotland, where we said 'God save our gracious queen,' 'God save our gracious king.' Here was the Pledge of Allegiance, and God wasn't in it at all."

There was little effect from that initial sermon, but he delivered it again on Feb. 7, 1954, after learning that President Dwight Eisenhower would be at the church.

The next day, Rep. Charles G. Oakman, R-Mich., introduced a bill to add the phrase "under God" to the pledge, and a companion bill was introduced in the Senate. Eisenhower signed the law on Flag Day that year.


flowerforyou Yeah I heard about this.flowerforyou

Lynann's photo
Mon 12/01/08 11:03 PM
Interesting isn't it that some people think that phrase was the founding fathers.

One very prominent woman recently remarked on it.

/whistles innocently

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Tue 12/02/08 08:25 AM
More people need to read this!!!!

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Tue 12/02/08 08:27 AM
I bet that old preacher never thought those two words would cause so much controversy in the future.

Winx's photo
Tue 12/02/08 09:34 AM

I bet that old preacher never thought those two words would cause so much controversy in the future.


That's the truth!laugh

Winx's photo
Tue 12/02/08 09:35 AM
I didn't know that it all started with a Pastor from Scotland. That surprised me.

Lynann's photo
Tue 12/02/08 10:05 AM
"In God We Trust" was to be put on all paper currency by an Act of Congress in 1955 and first appeared on paper currency in 1957.

The phrase was declared the national motto by an Act of Congress in 1956 and is not in fact something the founding fathers advocated.

Remember the dread "red scare"? Declaring the phrase our motto was in part a reaction to communism and an effort to establish an us and them distinction between the god fearing land of the free and those godless commies.


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Tue 12/02/08 10:05 AM
I seriously doubt that it actually started in scotland!pitchfork

Lynann's photo
Tue 12/02/08 10:07 AM
Maybe you should read about it and remove your doubt.

Winx's photo
Tue 12/02/08 10:08 AM

I seriously doubt that it actually started in scotland!pitchfork


It didn't. It started in a church in Washington, DC, by a Scottish Reverend.

Winx's photo
Tue 12/02/08 11:46 AM

More people need to read this!!!!


I agree, Temp.!

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Tue 12/02/08 02:41 PM
I am reading 'American Gospel' by Jon Meacham, a book about the Founding Fathers,and the role of religion and American politics.
Very very interesting reading.
As much about freedom from religon as freedom to practice without government interference.


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Tue 12/02/08 06:18 PM

I am reading 'American Gospel' by Jon Meacham, a book about the Founding Fathers,and the role of religion and American politics.
Very very interesting reading.
As much about freedom from religon as freedom to practice without government interference.




That sounds like an interesting book, M. Michiganman.

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Tue 12/02/08 06:31 PM


I am reading 'American Gospel' by Jon Meacham, a book about the Founding Fathers,and the role of religion and American politics.
Very very interesting reading.
As much about freedom from religon as freedom to practice without government interference.




That sounds like an interesting book, M. Michiganman.


I got it on the library trip with my daughter.bigsmile
I already finished 'A Thousand Brillant Suns' by the same guy that wrote 'The Kite Runner'
Another tragic story, beautifuly written.

Winx's photo
Tue 12/02/08 07:15 PM



I am reading 'American Gospel' by Jon Meacham, a book about the Founding Fathers,and the role of religion and American politics.
Very very interesting reading.
As much about freedom from religon as freedom to practice without government interference.




That sounds like an interesting book, M. Michiganman.


I got it on the library trip with my daughter.bigsmile
I already finished 'A Thousand Brillant Suns' by the same guy that wrote 'The Kite Runner'
Another tragic story, beautifuly written.


bigsmile

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Tue 12/02/08 08:10 PM




I am reading 'American Gospel' by Jon Meacham, a book about the Founding Fathers,and the role of religion and American politics.
Very very interesting reading.
As much about freedom from religon as freedom to practice without government interference.




That sounds like an interesting book, M. Michiganman.


I got it on the library trip with my daughter.bigsmile
I already finished 'A Thousand Brillant Suns' by the same guy that wrote 'The Kite Runner'
Another tragic story, beautifuly written.


bigsmile


My Bad, its 'A thousand Splendid Suns"

Lynann's photo
Wed 12/03/08 01:03 PM
This is an interesting commentary on the subject.

The best line of all. "The American creed is faith in liberty for all, not the religion of most."


It's Time to Update the Pledge

Under God mourns the loss of the minister who persuaded President Eisenhower and Congress in 1954 to insert into the Pledge of Allegiance the phrase "under God" -- an idea whose time was then.

Now, with the passing of the Rev. George M. Docherty, who died Thanksgiving Day at the age of 97, let us review why the phrase was added in the first place and why we should consider updating the pledge.

Docherty's contribution to American civil religion came during a sermon he preached at Washington's New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in honor of Lincoln's birthday in 1954, the height of the Second Red Scare. As Post reporter Matt Shudel notes in Sunday's obituary, Docherty, a native of Scotland, argued that the then-godless American pledge could just as easily apply to the communist Soviet Union.

"I could hear little Muscovites recite a similar pledge to their hammer-and-sickle flag with equal solemnity," said Docherty. He suggested adding Lincoln's phrase "under God" from the Gettysburg Address to the pledge. "To omit the words 'Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive character of the American Way of Life."

Maybe then. Not now.

First, it isn't the 1950s anymore. As religion scholar Will Herberg noted in his influential 1955 essay "Protestant-Catholic-Jew," at that time 68 percent of Americans were Protestant, 23 percent Catholic, and 4 percent Jewish. (The remaining 5 percent expressed no religious preference.) "Not to be a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Jew today is, for increasing numbers of American people, not to be anything."

According to a recent Pew report, those figures have declined to 51, 23 and 2. The remaining 20+ percent express plenty of preferences, including Mormon, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist and Agnostic. Not to be a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Jew today is, for increasing numbers of American people, to be something else just as worthy of citizenship.

Second, the greatest threat to American freedom is no longer godless communism but "godly" terrorism -- people who pledge their allegiance to God. Docherty noted that even Stalin's Soviet Union could claim to be "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Today, even a Taliban-led Afghanistan could claim to be "one nation, under God."

In his 1954 sermon, Docherty argued that Judeo-Christian America was engaged in "mortal combat against modern, secularized, godless humanity." Today, pluralistic America is engaged in mortal combat against anti-modern, fundamentalist, religionized humanity.

It isn't our belief in God that makes us different. It's our belief in the liberties (religious and other) enshrined in the Constitution. The American creed is faith in liberty for all, not the religion of most.

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Posted by David Waters on December 1, 2008 3:59 PM



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Thu 12/04/08 09:36 PM
I don't know how many times i have had religious people tell me that under god was always part of the pledge. I never bothered to argue it. Excellent idea to put it back the way it was intended.



This is an interesting commentary on the subject.

The best line of all. "The American creed is faith in liberty for all, not the religion of most."


It's Time to Update the Pledge

Under God mourns the loss of the minister who persuaded President Eisenhower and Congress in 1954 to insert into the Pledge of Allegiance the phrase "under God" -- an idea whose time was then.

Now, with the passing of the Rev. George M. Docherty, who died Thanksgiving Day at the age of 97, let us review why the phrase was added in the first place and why we should consider updating the pledge.

Docherty's contribution to American civil religion came during a sermon he preached at Washington's New York Avenue Presbyterian Church in honor of Lincoln's birthday in 1954, the height of the Second Red Scare. As Post reporter Matt Shudel notes in Sunday's obituary, Docherty, a native of Scotland, argued that the then-godless American pledge could just as easily apply to the communist Soviet Union.

"I could hear little Muscovites recite a similar pledge to their hammer-and-sickle flag with equal solemnity," said Docherty. He suggested adding Lincoln's phrase "under God" from the Gettysburg Address to the pledge. "To omit the words 'Under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance is to omit the definitive character of the American Way of Life."

Maybe then. Not now.

First, it isn't the 1950s anymore. As religion scholar Will Herberg noted in his influential 1955 essay "Protestant-Catholic-Jew," at that time 68 percent of Americans were Protestant, 23 percent Catholic, and 4 percent Jewish. (The remaining 5 percent expressed no religious preference.) "Not to be a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Jew today is, for increasing numbers of American people, not to be anything."

According to a recent Pew report, those figures have declined to 51, 23 and 2. The remaining 20+ percent express plenty of preferences, including Mormon, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, Atheist and Agnostic. Not to be a Catholic, a Protestant, or a Jew today is, for increasing numbers of American people, to be something else just as worthy of citizenship.

Second, the greatest threat to American freedom is no longer godless communism but "godly" terrorism -- people who pledge their allegiance to God. Docherty noted that even Stalin's Soviet Union could claim to be "one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." Today, even a Taliban-led Afghanistan could claim to be "one nation, under God."

In his 1954 sermon, Docherty argued that Judeo-Christian America was engaged in "mortal combat against modern, secularized, godless humanity." Today, pluralistic America is engaged in mortal combat against anti-modern, fundamentalist, religionized humanity.

It isn't our belief in God that makes us different. It's our belief in the liberties (religious and other) enshrined in the Constitution. The American creed is faith in liberty for all, not the religion of most.

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Posted by David Waters on December 1, 2008 3:59 PM




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Sat 12/06/08 07:29 PM
Anyway,it is good to hear it in the pledge!!And for those who want to stiffel it.Go live somewhere else[North Korea,China,Soviet Union,Cuba] or anyother godless society.They will embrace you with open arms!

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