laughing with you...

and, booger is the word of the week here at home, LOL!

Duncan's gonna throw something at me, so I need to be out of the thread
now, heh.

Belushi - To answer your question, NPR is a National Public Radio.

Garden, I don't see how the whole line of discussion about the degree of
British involvement in Vietnam relates to the validity of the "gated
communities" method. That said, it seems likely to me that a large
number of British individuals found their way into the Vietnam war one
way or another, which is different than "official" involvement.

http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Vietnam/rum.htm


In Vietnam, is it possible that the "gated communities" method was used
briefly in one area, and then abandoned?

Nene, the concept of taking a man's home then shutting off the rooms hes
allowed to use is a direct analogy from an Irish nationalist in the
1920s.

The idea is that you take over Baghdad. Then, as its not yours, you
apportion the sections the locals can and cannot gain access to, thereby
cutting access to the bathroom and the kitchen, for example.

Admittedly a little picturesque in my analogy, but then still fairly
close to topic.

Fanta .. "The Brit" has a name - its Belushi (or Duncan), and if you
have an opinion, then why not voice it?

I dont never in nam listening to both sides, interesting, never thought
about brittan in nam, brit wasnt meant to piss on you man just a fond
nickname......

Fanta ...
No problem bud. I find that when discussing things military with a few
folks from the States, they get a little testy.

Vietnam was a screw up. Fact.

Iraq will be a screw up.

Afghanistan is a screw up - Fact.

But us Brits live with this sh1t everyday. We used to invade countries
and get our butts kicked on a regular basis, so we know how it feels to
get butt-fck'd

It just causes the rest of the world ire, when the US govt says poor me,
poor me.

We would like to see more folks question their govts. You have Freedom
of information, freedom of speech, so why doesnt everyone use it,
instead of following the govt line?

Im not talking about the States per se, but the populations of the US/UK
does seem a little more willing than most to just follow blindly.

It just aggreives me thats all.

Like I said I wasnt there I was listening and learning. For me to
interrupt yall would have been meaningless. Anything I would have said
would not be as informed as yalls, so I listened.

Well! i have a thought. Belushi you clearly stated "I have a website"
well LA DE FRICKIN DAH! I may not have served in Nam but you know what
Belushi some of these members DID. I will believe these proud veterans
LONG BEFORE YOUR WEBSITE.

Fanta that looks like one of the bears that mauled and killed a youngin
last spring about 10 miles from my house. Woo wee!! i dont miss
my job with the forestry when they rounded up those bears for
sure!!!!

(BBS, your loyalty is inspiring! )

As I read the posts here, I don't yet see any direct contradiction on
the topics of 'were British in Nam' nor 'was divide an conquer used'

Garden are you saying its impossible for any British soldiers to have
been in Nam? Belushi, are you saying that the British had a large scale
official involvement? I'm pretty sure the answer for both will be no.

Is anyone saying its impossible for 'gated communities' to have been
used in Nam, at all? Is anyone saying that it was a central strategy,
universally used throughout the conflict?

It may sound like I'm trying to play 'peace-maker' but really I just
want the arguments to keep honing in, get more specific.

cant we all just get aloooooong?!!!!!!
lmao

*ducks as both sides come bum-rushing him!!!*

*runs through virtual land tossing donuts*

Worked in germany during WW2.

Not taking over a mans home.

I would say it is securing a hotzone.

Those people that have a legitimate reason to move from one 'room' to
the other might be inconvienanced a bit. Those people that wish to kill
from room to room will be inconvienanced a lot.

That said I for one think it is time for the Iraqi people to secure
their own hotzones. Or come to terms with each other on the levels of
brotherhood.

My son is ready to go back for the third time cause he believes.

My only recourse is to raise my voice for peace cause I don't wish to
fertilize the garden with his blood.

BBS whilst your loyalty maybe endearing to some, I find it strange that
you would take the word of people who were there against people ... who
were also there - some Brits.

The website I was referring to was also mentioned by someone else.
Believe them over me? Ok, fair enough. The truth will out.

The Brits had no official involvement - True. But they did have special
forces units SBS/SAS being used in unofficial involvement. They were
also used as advisors for the Australian forces. Again from the same
website.

i know that im a day late and a doller short on this thread but if
people come back to read this and add to it let me say....

most of all the communities in iraq are "gated" so to speak, big or
small clusters of homes are all surounded by large walls, then the homes
themselves mostly all have large walls around them, i know ive jumped
over enough of them.

it is very easy to go into that community area, seal it off a do door to
doors, the problem comes in when people dont want you to come in their
home (which is understandable- god knows i would be pissed as hell if
that was tried on me) however for the most part and i mean like about
90% of the time we went into a house we were greated as friends, offered
up food and chai tea (like offering coffee in the US).

another problem, bad guys see when you do this, they wait until you
leave, then they go into the same house and threaten or kill or rape or
buy the help of the home owner, an example, "hey hide these weapons here
until we come back or your son dies" another "hey take this bomb and go
blow up that check point or we rape your sister and kill your family."

we do more good than we do bad. and i can sleep with the fact that i
saved just as many iraqis as americans.


doc


Airborne!!!

Army Doc, I salute you sir, and I thank you for your service to our
country.

God bless you armydoc!! Here are some flowers to brighten your day. I
reckon its been awhile since you've seen some!!

Barbisister

You are so sweet.

Iraq does have flowers.

I would be willing to bet you he has noticed everyone.

In that type of danger every smell is stronger, everything beautiful
catches your eye and even the littlest things become important.