Yeah, I already said that. I feel like Jan in the "Brady Bunch" movie. "That was my idea!" "Oh Jan..." "Don't be jealous Jan!" "Yeah Jan, come on!"

Rape is wrong, an unconsensual act, a violent act - short and sweet

Sharia law is/does not protect women (jmo) - it is a religious Islamic/Muslim law. This law to continue and it is unexpected to be changed/challenged anytime soon

Is it right, I don't think so

should a woman be stoned to death following a brutal rape - no

should a victim be held financially responsible for testing supplies etc - ridiculous

the perpetrator should be liable - but this is only my opinion

no you didnt.you said you shouldn't have to pay for other peoples problems and never 100 percent.that is not the same and being found innocent doesn't mean ya didn't do it.OJ comes to mind.

Wahtever Spider.You stated you shouldn't have to pay for others problems and sited the example of your friends paying an ambulance.Don't back pedal.You also said this:"I don't see why women should be excused from their debts because they were victims of a crime".Give me a break!!

The parents don't pay teachers' salaries for Public school -- at least not directly but with taxes. Why should hospitals be any different? That's why they are called public servants.

I think maybe I am a socialist.

some hospitals are non profit and some aren't but until they are government owned ya gotta pay the piper.I agree you shouldn't have too but ...

I have always found it odd, how Karl Marx's theories are so despised in political discussions but if a person goes to college and studys sociology, Marx's theories are concidered valueable and legitament. Karl Marx's Conflict Theory is one of the cornerstones of sociology. He is considered a reputable and accomplished scholar in academic circles.

"Yes, I can see how you are probably confused a lot. You see, the Bible wasn't written in English, it was written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Koine Greek. Those languages have to be translated into English. Sometimes the language is so old, that it's hard to tell what the author was trying to say, so the translators have to do their best. In this case, I think they failed. When taken in context, the verse doesn't support the use of the word "rape". To me, it's very clear that the action being discussed is consensual intercourse."

When I said, "A tad confusing" I was being sarcastic.

I can understand how that might be lost on you.

Thanks for making my argument.

It's likely that the current translations of the Bible are not in fact Gods words but the words of men who are and were influenced by their own desires, politics and agendas.

Social values and ethics have changed (drastically in some cases) over the last several thousand years.

If the guy isn't found guilty, then it should be the victims burden. I know that sounds harsh, but if someone robs my house and takes my computer, should the government have to replace it? I can see the criminal having to replace it as part of the punishment, but not forcing the government to do so. And it would be completely ridiculous to charge a man with a crime and then force him to pay for the crime (rape kit, pregnancy test, STD tests, etc) even if he's found innocent. Sorry, but that burden is going to have to remain with the victim as the government cannot take property from anyone without due cause. If the guy isn't yet convicted or he is found innocent, you cannot legally make him pay.

And I'm not backpedaling. You seem to think "THE MAN MUST PAY!!!!!!" and you don't care if he is found guilty in court or not. That's crazy to me. We could turn that around and I'm sure you would think it unfair. That is a clearly unfair and actually illegal (as I already point out) position.

Yes, every Christian would surely want the Bible to say that women must marry their rapists. I can see how that would fit their agenda of spreading the word.

In case you are wondering, that's sarcasm.

Religion any religion should not dictate any laws at all . We are in 2008 and not in stone ages . separation of religion and government laws is essential to any human advance .

spider what about if whats taken from your home is not a material possession, what if it is an act performed against your person without consent, who should pay then? should the victim be responsible for anothers actions?

Maybe bush can invade pakistan before he leaves office and over throw those tyrants? Do they have any oil in Pakistan or wmds?

If you get mugged and the mugger breaks your jaw, you are responsible for the medical bills unless and until you bring the mugger to court and sue him for the medical bills. That's the way the law already works. I'm truly dumbfounded that everyone seems surprised that we don't financially punish people accused of crimes or that the government doesn't dole out cash to everyone who has been mistreated.

Your partisan words in the face of this horrific crime against humanity shows where your heart lies. You don't care about people, you only care about your party.

"13 year old girl raped and murdered? Great chance to get in a shot at Bush!"

G.W. Bush is a tyrant himself . Look to what he did in 8 years .

He did what 90% of the US wanted done following 9/11.

He did what most of the Democrats in Congress voted for him to do (and waiting 4 months to complain).

He did what the socialist PM of Great Britain felt was best, even though it cost them both their popularity and careers.

What does any of this have to do with the OP? You can take pot shots at the President in your own thread, please focus on the topic of this discussion.

My hypocracy? I was being sarcastic. but understand after the propaganda bombardment about the atrocities of Saddam and the war there after I am a little sarcastic. Realy this is the stuff our contry goes to war on, humane rights abuses. Oh but what exactly does our country the great exporter of social justice do in Pakistan? we sell them nuclear technology and look the other way when these types of barbaric acts happen. .

I wrote four sentences, with 44 words total and not one of them was hypocrisy.