Wow that's really interesting about the term "virgin".

I know St Augustine had had a lot of girlfriends prior to his conversion and suffered a lot of guilt about it after his conversion. He went way overboard in his condemnation of human enjoyment going so far as to chastise himself for enjoying looking at a piece of art.

You dont have to get naked and please do not feel like you should abra. Its something in certain Covens that might be requested for a sacred ritual because its always been performed in that manner. Thats it. If you dont want it, thats okay. Erections are expected and wont throw off the momentum trust me. But you dont have to participate in skyclad spell work at all.

Religious prostitution, sacred prostitution or temple prostitution is the practice of having sexual intercourse (with a person other than one's spouse) for a religious or sacred purpose. A woman engaged in such practices is sometimes called a temple prostitute or hierodule, though modern connotations of the term prostitute may or may not be appropriate, given the religious and cultic signification of the activities.

This definition I actually found on Wiki. Its not anything that no one is aware of. That does not mean that all spell craft will include it but "sexual healing" is part of the rights. Or it can be in certain circumstances.

Skyclad is not for everyone. I have never gone skyclad before. However I have always wanted to work some sex magick. But you need the right partner. Or at least I would.

I like sex magick.

Right. Me neither. Ive gone close to topless but never interacted sexually in ritual. I felt alright though . Never gawked at or exploited. Ive seen fully nude males in ritual and sometimes bound but never hurt and they seemed fine.

People always seem to assume that Pagans ritually kill and Ive NEVER seen that. Ive brought fresh killed rabbits to a festival because I did it and it was an outdoor festival. Rabbit meat and beef.

No humans slaughtered dont worry.

People aren't as strong as they used to be and its hard to hold an adult down for ritual killing

Krimsa what kind of ritual did you participate in?

Right. We would need to ritually bring in Ketamine and gas you. Its too expensive. Normally we just strip you and hang you out for pubic ridicule. No no. These rituals are done in a private atmosphere. No worries. I think if you are in a Coven you will feel better about it and if not, thats okay. There are people that I have never seen undress and it does not diminish their role in the Coven

I would do it under the right circumstances.

Ruth it was just an Esbat Rite and men were skyclad. Thats all I have done. I also brought my rabbits for food. I wore a corset but I myself have never gone naked totally though I have seen a High Priestess totally skyclad. I did this ONE time and I am no expert. That is ENTIRELY my experience.

I did not feel scared nor sexually aroused. It just was what it was at the time. I was a little nervous though enthralled in all all honesty.

That is so cool. I wish you lived in cali still so you could have come to our samhain ritual.

Yeah totally, though New England has its Covens. Mass especially. But California has a broader range. Here it seems very strict Witchcraft and less Wicca. They are more "purists." Whatever. That gets silly.

I can imagine. There is probably quite a bit of wicca resentment there as well. The "real witches" don't care much for wiccans.

I guess I'd need to have more of a reason behind it than just "tradition".

I simply feel no innate need to strip for the purpose of requesting a session with the Gods. If there was some specific reasoning behind it then I could understand it. But even then it simply may not appeal to me.

I feel a need to interact with god on my own terms. Thus I would probably never feel right about participating with a coven clothed or not.

Either way I would need to know the people in the coven pretty well and have shared many similar views, etc.

I think I would have difficulty worshiping with a coven. I'm just a loner and always have been.



What about premature ejaculations all over the high preistess? Would that be frowned upon?

I think it would be difficult for a single person who hasn't been sexual in a while to participate in a nude ceremony without having sexual thoughts. This might be better for couples who have reqular sex and therefore wouldn't be so,... how shall I say this,.... horny?

Yeah. Partly you have families here that trace their colonial lineages back to persecuted Witches. They tend to separate themselves as being "real historical witches" and take great pains to differentiate themselves from those that want to become Witches. It reminded me of Harry Potter and I was annoyed. It seems if someone wants to investigate Witchcraft, you should not make them feel bad, just as long as they show a genuine interest and want to learn. Most take that approach but you will come in contact with the "lineage bound" Covens. Blah. .

The purpose behind the nudity is to allow the maximum amount to closeness between you and the goddess and the elements. Nothing at all to interfere with the transfer of energy. Some people find this helpful and others do not.

While sexual arousal is to be expected at times I think ejaculating on the priestess might be a problem. Lol.

Well, I can see where both Wicca and "real witches" could easily form a cult with powerful charismatic leaders who have very submissive followers.

I mean it's just the kind of situation that is begging for that to happen.

I've been reading the Gardnerian book of shadows (the basis for the actual 'Wicca' religion. And I'm sure that I would not join that religion as an organized group that actually adheres to what Gardner wrote. It actaully sound quite dogmatic to me.

This is why I was saying that Scott Cunningham's book seems to be almost non-Wicca. At last with respect to Gardnerian Wicca.

I think what I'm putting together here is more of a merging of witchcraft, North American Indian culture, and Eastern Mysticism.

I'm kind of creting a Wicca that rooted in pantheism and/or animism, and I'm truly attempting to steer clear of dogma and deities as much as possible.

I definitely feel like writing a book from this point of view just as food for thought for anyone who might be interested.

Hereditary witches tend to be major snobs.

Yeah James you cant be sploogin on anyone. Just handle it beforehand. Understand where you are heading here.

Dam My cat just brought in a friggin big squirrel. Dammit!. Shes all proud and laying in front of it purring.

James you're summation of scotts wicca is very accurate. My actual practices are also a blend of witchcraft, native American practices and eastern mysticism with a little Catholicism thrown in for good measure.