Topic: Religious Devotion
Lindyy's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:34 PM

So, I guess I have a question.

Why do you need Jesus to save you? yes yes I know all about us being born into sin...yada yada I also have some formal religious education and understand that whole spiel about salvation...again yada yada...

Seriously, what about behaving well and acting justly for the sake of you and your fellow man here on earth without the threat or reward of life eternal in heaven is hard?

Must you have an invisible guy capable of denying you an afterlife with him and promising to cast you into hell fires for you to behave?

I mean serious, the Bible was written by men and assembled and edited by men over a very long period of time. Gospels not politically correct at the time were destroyed and discarded.

Read it, the events of the Resurrection in the Bible conflict with each other?!? What part of it do you beleive?

Umm never mind...






The Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit......that is why it is deemed to be God's Holy Word......


Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:50 PM
Edited by Lynann on Wed 11/12/08 06:51 PM
Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.


Lindyy's photo
Wed 11/12/08 06:57 PM

Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.




Stop making "assumptions" I read my Bible several times a week:banana:

Keep reading the Bible....maybe you will find the answer yourself:banana:

Lindyy
:banana:

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Wed 11/12/08 07:10 PM
Edited by Unknow on Wed 11/12/08 07:11 PM


Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.




Stop making "assumptions" I read my Bible several times a week:banana:

Keep reading the Bible....maybe you will find the answer yourself:banana:

Lindyy
:banana:
I think the people should have the same rights of the church!!

Lindyy's photo
Wed 11/12/08 07:30 PM



Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.




Stop making "assumptions" I read my Bible several times a week:banana:

Keep reading the Bible....maybe you will find the answer yourself:banana:

Lindyy
:banana:
I think the people should have the same rights of the church!!


what You lost mewhat

Lindyy
:heart:


Winx's photo
Wed 11/12/08 07:37 PM

<~~~Liberal. Democrat. Christian. (Psst... I teach at a Christian school! winking )

Yes, people. It IS possible.


<----Christian Democrat here too. I have a child in a Christian school.

Lynann's photo
Wed 11/12/08 07:47 PM
I didn't assume anything. I asked you a question.

Okay, wait....maybe I did make an assumption. I assumed you knew your scripture because you did and do read your Bible regularly. You have asserted that here many times in past so I trust I am not overstepping.

Therefor I asked you which of the gospels version of the Resurrection you believed.

Oh and I don't don't get my answers from man or the Bible.

Careful though in making any assumptions about where I get them from.

Lindyy's photo
Wed 11/12/08 07:54 PM


<~~~Liberal. Democrat. Christian. (Psst... I teach at a Christian school! winking )

Yes, people. It IS possible.


<----Christian Democrat here too. I have a child in a Christian school.




Christian Republican And......



so is my GOLDEN!!!

Lindyy
:banana:

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Wed 11/12/08 09:05 PM




Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.




Stop making "assumptions" I read my Bible several times a week:banana:

Keep reading the Bible....maybe you will find the answer yourself:banana:

Lindyy
:banana:
I think the people should have the same rights of the church!!


what You lost mewhat

Lindyy
:heart:


flowerforyou http://mingle2.com/topic/show/180105

snarkytwain's photo
Thu 11/13/08 10:17 AM
Edited by snarkytwain on Thu 11/13/08 10:18 AM


Please dust off the book and read each gospel and their descriptions of the resurrection.

If it is God's Holy Word which version is true?

Are all versions true?

If so what does that mean?

You didn't answer my question though.




Stop making "assumptions" I read my Bible several times a week:banana:

Keep reading the Bible....maybe you will find the answer yourself:banana:

Lindyy
:banana:


I believe she didn't say you didn't read your Bible, but your reply still doesn't answer her question at all.

I have TONS of questions about what the Bible says. I've read it right side up, upside down, backwards and forwards, inside and out... and short of quoting every single chapter and verse, I'd say I know it pretty good. I work at a Christian school. I consider myself a Christian. Does that mean I understand the Bible? Does that mean I have no questions?

No. I have plenty.

ETA: In my experience, most Christians are Republicans. laugh It's easy to be in the majority.

Winx's photo
Thu 11/13/08 10:22 AM
ETA?


snarkytwain's photo
Thu 11/13/08 10:41 AM
Edited To Add. :smile:

Winx's photo
Thu 11/13/08 10:42 AM

Edited To Add. :smile:


Thanks, I didn't know.laugh

snarkytwain's photo
Thu 11/13/08 10:43 AM
Edited by snarkytwain on Thu 11/13/08 10:47 AM
No prob! laugh I'm not a computer teacher for nuthin!

What... y'all thought I was on these forums at HOME? :wink:

ETA: (Hee!)

This is what happens, in my experience, when one follows any religion blindly:


The Beautiful Box


As a young girl, she often would sit and would think

of the world, its foundation, its ending, its brink.

The lightheartedness of others always on her mind,

yet she knew full well that they were not her kind.

There were times that she wanted to run and to play

but deep Musings don't often work that way.

So she sat and pondered over many things,

like how the grass grows and how the bird sings.

Yet she wondered the most about life and of death,

and why she was made, why she had breath.

And the days turned to months, and the months turned to years

and still she wondered, without any fears.


And she

sought.


As a young lady, on the verge of womanhood,

she found it… the meaning of life, and of good.

Her heart soared with the secret, the treasure.

She held it close to her spirit, as a thing above measure.

It was a Box, beautiful, beyond cost.

It was if she had found something long ago lost.

She opened the Box and found riches within,

new ways of thinking, a new place to begin.

And with them, a blanket, downy and soft.

And she squealed with delight as she held it aloft.

And so, with her Musings, she curled up inside,

shutting the lid, forever to hide.


And she

thought.


Inside the Box, at first it was light.

The shining of good, of life, and of right.

Her new thoughts were full of hope and of peace,

promising the Answer and final release.

She was soon happy, content and free.

The most sure of anything she ever would be.

She thought over her Musings, and soon found them lacking

Inside the Box, they seemed evil, stacking

themselves against the light of the Box.

And so she disowned them, as if a pox.

Threw them out into world from whence they came,

and curled up inside her new home, free of blame.


And she

slept.


Snuggling under the blanket within

she didn't notice the warmth rescind.

She saw nothing, not even the absence of light

that had crept in when she banished her fight,

to continue to think, to muse, and to wonder.

After all, the Box banished all need to ponder.

Inside it was safe, inside it was good.

Outside it was bad, wrong, and absurd.

The outside was full of darkness and wrong

and everyone there deaf to the true song.

And her Musings were lost, and her soul became blighted

matching the Box in which it resided.


And she

lost.


But her Musings would not give up the fight.

When she threw them out, they did not run from her sight.

They banged on the Box with fervor and might

As deep inside, she shivered with fright.

They shouted, "Come back! We need you to see!

You're cramped up in there, you need to be free!"

But she did not listen, she would not heed.

They would destroy the Box, once again make her bleed.

Her Musings were bad, things of sin and of rot

and they wanted her back, for what purpose she knew not.

But she did know something she would never deny.

The Box was her one and only allay.


And she

feared.


There were Others inside their own towers,

and she listened to them as they spoke of fear for hours.

The fear of the unknown, the fear of knowing,

the fear of thought, the fear of showing

that they had ideas, questions, and doubt.

And always outside, the Musings would shout.

But they were of a dark time when she thought much too deeply.

The Others spoke of danger in hearing completely.

And she listened, and still she was afraid.

For fear is the lock to the Box that was made

to keep those inside that dared to enter in kind.

And she was a prisoner of her ignorant mind.


And she

brooded.


Then One came who to the Musings was friend,

and they begged One to bring her to them once again.

One looked at the Box with thought and repose.

And One did not respond with blows.

One studied the Box, this way and that.

And finding its secret, smiled and sat,

and said to the Box, "Let her out of there please."

And the Box replied "I must save her from these."

Indicating the Musings at One's side.

But One only chuckled and said, "Foolish pride.

These Musings are hers; they are nothing to fear.

For in them all is crystal clear."


And she

wondered.


"You see," One continued, ignoring the protests

from those Others who still shook with fear in their nests.

"In the beginning, she was granted a Gift,

to use for her pleasure, and to help mend the rift

of Man and of Earth, of Heaven and Hell.

But then you snared her with your musical spell.

Promising riches after she died,

in exchange for removing any trace of pride

she may have had in being unique.

Replaced by fear, filling her ears with a shriek

so that she heard not the Wind, the Water, the Earth.

So that she heard not the Fire, the Spirit, and mirth."


And she

smiled.


The Box soon retorted, "Yet I may be correct

in those things which I spoke, and those not spoken yet.

I may be right in that all that you do

will either reward or make punishment for you.

From that punishment I shelter her now.

Forever to sing, to guard and to bow.

Her spirit is mine, for she is afraid

of all I have said, of all I have made.

Free thought means to sin.

Those voices within

must now be silenced, for if they are not

her spirit will suffer, and her soul will rot."


And she

shivered.


One only smiled at the Box's reply.

One shook One's head and said with a sigh,

"You snare many people with your misery.

Shouting of true freedom, yet your people are not free.

But this one inside you has been called all her life

not by you or by twisted teachings tainted with strife.

Her Musings were there as a gift from the Ones

who truly create, who truly stand in the sun.

Your dark light is the absence of all that is free.

Your teachings are stained, and not truly what He

taught and shouted of life and of good.

He is and was right, but you misunderstood."


And she

listened.


One continued with growing frustration.

It showed in One's face, as One spoke with great pain.

"You warped the message, thus warping the Teacher.

You have made Him a torturer, a madman, a preacher.

Turning His wisdom into despair,

warping His message without a care.

You use His words to feel important and mighty

and use His truth to force unnatural piety.

Yet while you sat and waited for death

His true people returned and now shout with one breath

'HE IS LOVE! SHE IS LIFE!

THEY ARE NOT PAIN AND STRIFE!"


And she

heard.


With that mighty shout, One lifted the lid

of the Box inside which she hid.

One leaned down and offered One's hand

and smiled at her as she struggled to stand.

The Box cried out, but it was no use.

Its lock had been broken, she was let loose.

And as she took the hand of the One,

her Musings returned, as when she had begun.

"I'm sorry, forgive me," she said with a cry.

But One just grinned and said "Now why

should you sorrow for something that's over and done?

Welcome back to the world of the sun."


And she

was free.

Lynann's photo
Thu 11/13/08 11:11 AM
I am old. When I see ETA I think estimated time of arrival.

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Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 11/13/08 11:30 AM

Well in the case of Jonestown someone did investigate and question.

They were murdered for their trouble.

Pro-lifers who are largely quite religious want to impose their standards on others on the abortion issue but think their faith and how they practice it should not be questioned?

The people at that compound chose to poison their children.

900 people died.

Did those little children chose their religion?

What about the children who die when their parents chose to pray over them instead of taking them to the doctor?

What about the children "married" to older men in some of these cults?

This list of offenses committed by churches against their members is long and frankly disgusting.


So, what's the standard? Leave people alone to practice their faith or question and criticize and perhaps save a life?




I really would like to know why this is?

You speak of pro-lifers.


I live in the state of Missouri.

Now if a drunk hits a pregnant womans car ( how far along she is pregnant does not matter) is will be tried inm ost cases for 2nd Degreee murder of her fetus/unborn child if she miscarraiges or the unborn child dies.


Now what is the difference between a womans right to choose and abort the child and the drunk?


Are not we saying this is a life a human being here. But the woman has the right to choose?


What makes this Right?

Winx's photo
Thu 11/13/08 11:41 AM
I live in Missouri too. I don't know how that pertains to the topic.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 11/13/08 12:09 PM
Edited by Milesoftheusa on Thu 11/13/08 12:10 PM
Why not. Pro-lifers were mentioned to start the topic

What I am asking what constitutes 2nd degree murder?

Winx's photo
Thu 11/13/08 12:36 PM
I thought it was about Jonestown.

I didn't see the word, "pro-lifer" in the OP.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Thu 11/13/08 12:46 PM

I thought it was about Jonestown.

I didn't see the word, "pro-lifer" in the OP.


You are right. See what assumptions dolaugh

The quote has it in thier. Jonestown was about religion and murder and I still believe that the question is viable to the discussion.

Unless I guess it does not meet the Agenda here.

Lots of Agenda's on these boards. I get mixed up.. Shalom...Miles